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Russia Backs Trump’s Re-election

Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Feb 20, 2020.

  1. nolancarey

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    All the Russian interference has done for Bernie is convince a bunch of trumpers to support Bernie and clutch their pearls on his behalf. trump just wants to choose his own opponent, and I think it's hilarious that he would pick Bernie for that role. Choose someone boring like Amy or Buttigieg if you need an easier opponent. Bernie is just trump with a moral compass. Millennials outnumber Boomers these days and are starting to vote with greater frequency, and the spectre of "sOcIaLiSm" just isn't as much of a problem for the younglings these days. People aren't taking their cues from a cartoon turtle and hiding under tables in atom bomb drills anymore. Today we have a cartoon turtle leading the Senate and kids hide under desks for active shooter drills-totally different.
     
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  2. VAg8r1

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    If the 2020 general election ends up as a contest between Trump and Bernie Sanders, for the Russians it will a "heads I win, tails you lose" situation. I think Vladimir Putin would still prefer Trump because he is easier to manipulate than the Bern, but Bernie's foreign policy wouldn't be all that much different from the Donald's.
     
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  3. gator_fever

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    I do say not to underestimate Bernie but the Dems have about 8 days left to stop Bernie. If Bernie wins SC its over as far as anyone beating him delegate wise going into the Democrat convention. On the net it sounds like a lot of Soth Carolina Reps plan to vote Bernie because they don't like how the Democrat establishment is treating him. Bernie will definitely get a few extra % in the SC vote with the party leaders there saying to get out and vote in the Democrat primary. Also if the Dems are crazy enough to screw Bernie over at the convention then Milwaukee will be pretty colorful that night from all the rioting and fires.
     
  4. nolancarey

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    You are quite neglecting Super Tuesday. It remains to be seen whether Warren ruined Bloomberg's cahances (or bolstered her own). Bernie had Nevada in the bag before the debate because they have this new/untested mixture of early voting for a caucus. They had pretty much met the Democrat numbers from 4 years ago before anyone started talking on Wednesday. We'll see what South Carolina brings, but that 400 million of Bloomberg's dollars have been working almost exclusively in Super Tuesday states.
     
  5. gator_fever

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    If Bernie wins SC and doesn't have the most earned delegates of any Dem candidate from the voters going into the Democrat convention I will take a month long self imposed ban from here. I almost hope the Dems try and screw Bernie if that is the case. I just hope no innocents are hurt in Milwaukee in the aftermath.
     
  6. WarDamnGator

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    I'm surprised to hear that. I don't know much about Bernie other than he'd probably be a bit of an "America First" protectionist, like Trump, but one area where Trump seems to be doing the most damage is pissing off our allies kissing the butts of our enemies. We need a president that will repair the relationship with NATO and resume many of the global warming treaties we had entered. Any reason to believe Bernie wouldn't do that?
     
  7. nolancarey

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    I've always said that while most candidates take the traditional route of shaking hands and kissing babies, trump takes the curious route of kissing hands and shaking babies.
     
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  8. tampagtr

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    He would be better than Trump, no doubt. Trump hates democracies and loves authoritarians, and is trying to direct the United States to support authoritarianism worldwide.
    Plus he would be more constrained politically. The Republican party through its elected officials, really intended to constrain Trump when he was first elected, but quickly realized that the base would not permit it. The real threat to our future is from the Trump base.

    I don't think the Bernie base would ever develop into that, although I could be wrong. But either way. It would take quite a few more years, whereas the Trump base is there now. They are already prepared to sacrifice democracy and embrace authoritarianism.

    I will say that if you ever listen to the Chapo trap House guys, you start thinking the California Uber alles and the suede denim secret police will become real.
     
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  9. HallGator

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    Personally I think DT would destroy Bernie in the general election and I am no Trump fan.
     
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  10. dangolegators

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    Look what Trump has done to you. This is nuts. You really need to get ahold of yourself.
     
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  11. duchen

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    They repeat the false Kremlin stories like those stories are true. And then argue that the Russians aren’t interfering and that it it a hoax. These active measures depend on people like that, who live in a strange world that isn’t real. And when the president suppressed the truth or outright advocates falsehoods, it just makes the active measures that more effective. Which is why we are truth tellers lose their jobs.
     
  12. duchen

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    Because the administration is backing the undermining of the IC. Not too hard to figure out why.
     
  13. duchen

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    Interesting you should quote that without context. The context was the 2012 election and true negotiation of an arms treaty. Obama told Medvedev the foregoing and it was picked up on an open mile when they were discussing the the negotiations. Obama responsed to a statement by Romney in a debate. That was before Putin returned to the titular leadership of Russia, the Magnitsky murder and sanctions, the revolution in Ukraine, the attack by Russia in Crimea and eastern Ukraine, and the interference on the 2016 election. Russian- US relations under Obama significantly worsened after 2012. But, carry in with sound bite reasoning and attempting to divert from the subject. Context matters. Try reading Mike McFaul’s book on that period of you are interested in knowledge.
     
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  14. gator_fever

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    Looks like Russian efforts are paying off in NV Caucus for Bernie who kept quiet for about a month about Russia trying to help his campaign. :D
     
  15. citygator

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    My voting preferences end with Trump and Bernie as the last two. Been saying for a few weeks I’d vote Trump over Bernie but it’s mostly been in jest. Now that it’s becoming a possibility I am starting to really wrestle with what I would do. I don’t really support either one’s platform entirely but in the end I think I’m going to chose a law abiding socialist. Thank God I’m not retiring in the next 4 years. Stocks aren’t gonna like companies and rich people paying more.
     
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  16. tampagtr

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    Texted this to a friend

    Twenty years after winning the Cold War, our choices are between maybe the only US elected official in the 80s that romanticized life in the Soviet Union, and an actual Russian asset. I would have bet the house, literally, if someone proposed that to me in 1990.
     
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  17. tampagtr

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    And yes I realize it's actually 30 years. Getting old means you lose perspective on time
     
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  18. dangolegators

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    Well of the 6 on stage the other night, I place Bernie just above Bloomberg. As for stocks, don't think Bernie's policies are going to be enacted, so it wouldn't be an issue. But if his policies did get enacted, the rich would take a hit, but the poor would have more money in their pockets and they would spend it. That's something that doesn't get talked about enough. The stimulative effects of wealth redistribution from rich to poor. We always hear how giving the rich more money will stimulate the economy (supply side). That doesn't actually work very well. Demand side economics is a better way to stimulate an economy -- giving money to people who actually need it and will spend it.
     
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  19. duchen

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    You have no choice. The choice is between a “Democratic Socialist” and a demagogue authoritarian for whom there will be no checks of you vote for him. If you don’t like it now, wait until if he is re-elected. Socialism would require the co tell of production by government. And bear in mind that his chief “socialist” policy, Medicare for all, is in place in most western capitalist countries. But it is not about any of this. And I doubt he is the nominee.
     
  20. citygator

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    I’ll end up voting Bernie but if I’m not feeling the Bern then less liberal voters surely won’t vote for him. He could be a worse candidate than Hillary.
     
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