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Russia and the far right

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by rivergator, Jul 30, 2018.

  1. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    I and others have commented here before about the right's defense of Russia. I couldn't tell if it was just because Trump has been defending them, that they all got right in line. But, actually, the far right's connection with Russia apparently predates Trump, the allegations of collusion and the automatic denial of it all.

    Opinion | Russia and the far right’s cozy affair

    And article from last year:
    Moscow Cozies Up to the Right
    How Russia Became the Leader of the Global Christian Right
     
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  2. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

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    Here is a another good article on the subject, that covers how the religious right and the NRA fostered these relationships based upon perceived ideological cross-overs, especially in regards to issues like gun rights and gay marriage:

    Guns and religion: How American conservatives grew closer to Putin’s Russia

    Notice the prominent role played by Torshin (now sanctioned) and a relatively obscure graduate student by the name of Maria Butina on the NRA side. But folks like the National Organization for Marriage and Franklin Graham were also reaching out for connections at the same time. And often found them in the form of Torshin and Putin himself.
     
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  3. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    apparently Putin's hardline position against homosexuality and Islam has had a big role in attracting American evangelicals toward him.

    Why the Christian Right Shares Trump’s Affection for Putin
     
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  4. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

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    All of this being said, the overarching political goal of the Russian government is to tear apart the liberal (small "l") world based upon his perception that doing so would strengthen Russians relative position in the world. In order to do so, he needs to take down what is sometimes called the WEIRD world: Westernized, Educated, Industrialized, Rich and Democratic. The populist right as well as the extreme far left share that goal for differing reasons. The populist right opposes the globalized and socially liberal nature of the most educated and rich areas of the Western world ("coastal elites"). The extreme far left opposes the rich part of the equation (primarily referencing capitalism). So he has enlisted both of these groups to help in his goal. He has certainly had more success in the US with the populist right than the far left (Donald Trump vs. Jill Stein).

    I would argue that he has had more success overall with the right in Europe as well, although it is closer (they have taken the government of Italy, pushed Brexit, and increased the profile of what used to be fringe parties in France, Germany, Netherlands int their second largest parties, while, on the left, they have managed to gain a leading coalition spot in Spain and get Corbyn in the UK.)
     
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  5. tegator80

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    I believe the phrase you are reaching for is...the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Or perhaps politics makes for strange bedfellows.

    I prefer...you do not understand what is a conservative. You used the term "far right" and that is fine as long as you don't confuse the two. You are talking about those who want an activist government but only for the "good" reasons.
     
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  6. duchen

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    The liberal democratic world; which does not refer to liberalism, but concepts we understand as essential to democracy. Elections. Free speech. Free press.etc. Putin is a totalitarian autocrat and he seeks to undermine those values. We have appeased him for too long.
     
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  7. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    Continuing ties between Russia and the far right. Very fringe far right, in this case.

    Neo-Confederate white supremacists launch their Russian operation
     
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    Are you sure you're for free speech? Even on college campuses? :rolleyes:;)
     
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  9. duchen

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    Everywhere and for everyone.
     
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  10. WarDamnGator

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    With the GOP gutting election security funding, it sure seems like they don't mind the Russian interference, as long as it's helping them.
     
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  11. NavyGator93

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    It absolutely boggles my mind that a draft dodging, POW insulting, in bed with Putin, crotch grabber is the face of patriotism to many.
     
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  12. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    Fighting liberalism together:

    Russian and American Christian fundamentalists vow to fight ‘totalitarianism’ of modern society
     
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  14. homer

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    I don’t find it difficult that the far right trust Russia more than the alt left or far left progressives.

    The divide is going to get even bigger.
     
  15. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    that's your excuse? I don't like the religious right, but I don't go running to the Russians to help me defeat my fellow Americans.
     
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  16. duchen

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    The profound ignorance of these so called Americans should be astounding. But, it is no longer, to me. The Russian government is a dictatorship of faux elections where opposition candidates are murdered or imprisoned. Their godfather, Putin, has plundered the country, its resources and its people for the benefit of a few oligarchs, who move their vast wealth to banks and assets outside of Russia. The country is run like the mafia. Ironic we see the right wing posters here compare Democratic candidates with wanting government model like Venezuela, and see the right embrace a country that is just like it. They don't care about the criminality of the right wing leaders they embrace because they want a government that guts the First Amendment (for others), the right to marriage. To the groups in the referenced article, Russia is a good model because they, too, want to impose their values on anyone else.
     
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  17. staticgator

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    So far, the NRA’s political action committee and political non-profit arm have spent just over $1.6 million in 2018 on outside expenditures, such as political attack ads, and direct campaign contributions to federal candidates and groups, compared to more than $16 million on similar expenses at this point in 2014.

    That decline comes as the FBI investigates whether the group illegally received money from Russia to fuel its support of President Donald Trump during the 2016 election and as the group has seen a decline in dues that has deepened the group’s operating deficit.

    NRA’s spending is way down in the 2018 midterms. Does it have ‘a popularity problem?’
     
  18. homer

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    What did I say that’s not possible or right?

    Maybe the far right considers them less of a problem?

    I don’t know either way.
     
  19. bababooey

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    I like how now instead of facing realities at home, we just scream about the ROOOOSKIES.
    • Russia didn't create huge income/wealth inequality in the US
    • Russia didn't vote to continually increase a bloated defense budget to satisfy the military/industrial complex
    • Russia didn't let banksters off the hook after the collapse in 2008
    • Russia didn't allow the insurance lobby to write our healthcare policy
    • And no, Russia didn't get Trump elected. Hillary Clinton did that.
    Until we wake and realize that our current predicament is the result of DECADES of bad policy, nothing will change.
     
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  20. OaktownGator

    OaktownGator Guardian of the GC Galaxy Moderator VIP Member

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    I agree with all of this. Points well taken.

    But the Russians are still a problem in their own right. They are actively attacking our electoral system (hacking state electoral systems in addition to party servers), using social media to deepen racial and political divisiveness as well as pump political disinformation, and attacking our infrastructure. We need strong responses to cyber attacks generally and to the Russians specifically for what they are doing. IMO.