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Revisiting the 2016 Russia Hoax

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ETGator1, Jul 3, 2025 at 11:35 AM.

  1. coleg

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    Since you state " It is really hard to do a real well researched and vetted IC Assessment in four months." You must certainly be impressed at how accurately the IC actually was since both Radcliff and the Republican-led Senate Committee both agreed with it.
     
  2. CaptUSMCNole

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    If I said this was just some score settling between IC Republicans over what IC Democrats did on the way out the door in ‘16, would that make sense? The IC Democrats committed a procedural foul with the IC Assessment and IC Republicans want it on the official record that it happened.
     
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  3. CaptUSMCNole

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    My issue with the assessment was not the conclusions because at a high level I think they were correct. For example, the FBI knew it was a Russian MCA that hacked the DNC server back in the late summer of ‘16. And the US IC knew what Russia was up to around the same time. The issue was the inclusion of the Steele Dossier in the IC Assessment that was not vetted but still stated that the Trump Campaign was actively involved. It was the equivalent of saying “We think the Trump Campaign was involved but we have not had enough time to verify it.” Something like that should not be in a completed IC Assessment.
     
  4. l_boy

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    There is zero doubt that Russia tried to interfere in the 2016 election.

    This is patently false. There was, depending on how one defines it - “collusion”. Trump called for Russia to back DNC servers, and they immediately started working on that, and did.

    Collusion per se is not a crime. There was not enough evidence to pursue a criminal conspiracy to tamper with the election. Mueller was clear in saying that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, they just didn’t have enough to prove it.

    They absolutely did have enough to pursue obstruction of justice, but they typically avoid obstruction if they can’t prove the underlying charge.
     
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  5. CaptUSMCNole

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    Since when do prosecutors tell the public before a trial "that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, we just didn’t have enough to prove it"?
     
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    Call it treason. I wonder if that has a statute of limitations?
     
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    Can Obama claim Presidential Immunity in this case? Was it an official act?