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Realistically, if you could choose our new DC, who would it be?

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by MyakkaGator, Oct 17, 2021.

  1. crescent_beach

    crescent_beach All American

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    You just summed up the football experience of 99% of the posters on this site.
     
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  2. persuader

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    NFL Career:
    Pass Completions = 47.9%
    TD/Int = 17/9
    Passer Rating = 75.3
    Avg.Yards per Attempt = 6.5
    These numbers above are not desirable for a starting NFL QB.
    Tim also did have 989 rushing yards & 12 rushing TDs.
    So, perhaps serviceable as a #2 or #3 NFL QB.
    I couldn’t find his all-time NFL ranking.
     
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  3. gatorpower

    gatorpower GC Hall of Fame

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    I went ahead and found a metric for determining the best college programs using the draft and top-25 defenses (a top 40):

    Team - Draft Points, Top-25 Points, Combined

    Alabama - 1, 0.8, 1.8
    Michigan - 0.777777778, 0.8, 1.577777778
    Clemson - 0.444444444, 1, 1.444444444
    Georgia - 0.407407407, 1, 1.407407407
    Ohio State - 0.888888889, 0.4, 1.288888889
    Iowa - 0.444444444, 0.8, 1.244444444
    Wisconsin - 0.407407407, 0.8, 1.207407407
    Louisiana State - 0.703703704, 0.4, 1.103703704
    Penn State - 0.481481481, 0.6, 1.081481481
    San Diego State - 0.074074074, 1, 1.074074074
    Utah - 0.444444444, 0.6, 1.044444444
    Miami (FL) - 0.592592593, 0.4, 0.992592593
    Washington - 0.592592593, 0.4, 0.992592593
    Florida - 0.703703704, 0.2, 0.903703704
    Michigan State - 0.222222222, 0.6, 0.822222222
    Texas Christian - 0.37037037, 0.4, 0.77037037
    Cincinnati - 0.148148148, 0.6, 0.748148148
    Pittsburgh - 0.333333333, 0.4, 0.733333333
    Auburn - 0.518518519, 0.2, 0.718518519
    Wyoming - 0.111111111, 0.6, 0.711111111
    Kentucky - 0.296296296, 0.4, 0.696296296
    Mississippi State - 0.296296296, 0.4, 0.696296296
    Alabama-Birmingham - 0.037037037, 0.6, 0.637037037
    Fresno State - 0.037037037, 0.6, 0.637037037
    Florida State - 0.407407407, 0.2, 0.607407407
    Notre Dame - 0.407407407, 0.2, 0.607407407
    Air Force - 0, 0.6, 0.6
    Army - 0, 0.6, 0.6
    Texas A&M - 0.37037037, 0.2, 0.57037037
    Brigham Young - 0.148148148, 0.4, 0.548148148
    Northwestern - 0.148148148, 0.4, 0.548148148
    Houston - 0.296296296, 0.2, 0.496296296
    Oregon - 0.296296296, 0.2, 0.496296296
    Appalachian State - 0.074074074, 0.4, 0.474074074
    Southern Mississippi - .074074074, 0.4, 0.474074074
    Minnesota - 0.259259259, 0.2, 0.459259259
    Virginia Tech - 0.259259259, 0.2, 0.459259259
    California - 0.222222222, 0.2, 0.422222222
    Missouri - 0.222222222, 0.2, 0.422222222
     
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  4. 92gator

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    I see you omitted the 8-6 record. I think that's a pretty important statistic, and certainly the 989 yards rushing was very much a part of that.

    And I reiterate, one of those 8 was an upset playoff roadie against a stout, almost prohibitive favorite, Pittsburgh Steeler team.

    Again, I know he wasn't great, but there were teams who couldn't have done much worse with TT under center, than the supposedly NFL competent captains they relied upon, to suck as fiercely as they did. I mentioned the Jaguars, but there are others. The Raiders and Rams went through rough stretches during that time period; the Jets and Giants had sub 30% winning percentage over last 5 years--while TT was working in the MLB minors.

    It might not have been pretty to watch, but surely they would have done better than 30% (NM that a work horse like TT would likely have improved over time...).
     
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  5. coach

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    The numbers really don't tell the full story.
    With Tim at QB the Broncos rushing attack lead the league. The RBs Yds/carry increased with Tim as QB.
    Completion % comes with a caveat. Fox had Tim "beach it" when coverage was tight. That's why you saw those balls in the dirt that you rarely saw it college. Just a shame we never got to see late game Tim for extended periods.
    One other note, seems like every QB in the league got better when they no longer played for Adam Gase.
     
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  6. Claygator

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    I think I am confusing him with Jerry Odom.:confused:
     
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  7. Emmitto

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    I don’t see why any of about 50 guys isn’t worth a shot.

    I mean pick a guy who has had some success as an actual DC, or even as a position coach but has documented success with player development and roll.

    Other than personal relationship (and I’m not suggesting that is worthless), what would you lose if the new guy is no good? Recruiting is essentially down to the UF brand selling itself, guys are lost, and this latest effort is literally the most stunning I’ve seen here.

    I see virtually no value in the current guy that would scare me from taking even a big chance on an unproven guy.
     
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  8. persuader

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    There was no need to note an 8-6 record as a starter that you had already listed.
    Lol… Did you omit the paltry 6.5 yds per pass, purposely? Heck, I made sure to mention the rushing yards & TDs , that you didn’t, because I felt it was important to his numbers.
    I’m a Tim Tebow fan. I’m not trying to disrespect the man’s NFL career, necessarily. But, to say Rex Ryan “ruined” Tebows pro career is a stretch. That’s really my only point to make.
    As an aside, an unexpected stat I found was that, Tim’s 2nd Half (especially 4th qtr) passer rating is significantly better than his overall career passer rating. If I recall correctly, it was like 86 or 88 something. Somewhat respectable, I think. But, the overall passer rating leaves much to be desired. Tebow just wasn’t a quality NFL QB. His performance was the only thing that shortened his career.
     
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  9. Endless Excuses

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    Not a lot of pick sixes or game losing plays in his career..unlike some guy who is still in the league and starting.
     
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  10. tommyvee

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    What’s your point? I appreciate your hard work, but your formula is garbage. Keep at it.
     
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  11. g8orbill

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    I want a 30-45 year old who is full of P&V who pushes kids and yet relates to the kids and can recruit like crazy- not sure just who that is
     
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  12. persuader

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    Ok. Career Passer Rating of 75.3, plus a barely better than .500 winning % as a starter, still is quite lackluster.
    You’re going to build your franchise around that?
     
  13. justinwitt07

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    I’m free on Saturday’s in the fall….any takers ?
     
  14. og8trz

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    Don’t know if we can match the financial weight of Walmart, Reynolds Aluminum & Tyson Foods
     
  15. freedomgator

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    Yes but as the thread title says, if you could choose our new DC who would it be?
     
  16. trump4life

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    Any of the fired Washington State coaches a good DC?
     
  17. novagator

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    Who is Kentucky's DC? Let’s get him.
     
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  18. Emmitto

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    I would take basically anyone. I mean all the names mentioned, sure. And a bunch more.

    What I saw last week was not just an issue with lack of top shelf talent, and whatever the apparent refusal to adjust scheme, but flat out no will to have a fight.

    And I’ll prop up some guys, like Hopper and Torrence, who make high-effort mistakes that can be fixed. But a disturbing number of guys tapped out for whatever reason(s), and I don’t see how those reasons don’t track directly back to the top.

    TG doesn’t recruit and also works no wizardry with less talent. The perpetual catastrophes with tackling, confusion, guys covering grass, and effort—I’ve seen enough.

    Name a Dude. I would probably say “Yeah, let’s try him.”
     
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  19. Gator72211

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    He would be my choice too.
     
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  20. G8rmann

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    I'm with those who do not like Diaz and for the same reason. I think he is actually very similar to Grantham and have similar concerns about Collins. I like Mason, Odom, or a Ga. DC or Leonhard. I
     
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