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Rand Paul blocks Senate from approving 9/11 victim compensation fund

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by orangeblue_coop, Jul 17, 2019.

  1. madgator

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    I didn't say that the state of NY or the cop of firefighters union insurance should cover military vets did I?
     
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  2. duchen

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    You said, “New York State should be finding this.” Maybe you Misspoke.
     
  3. madgator

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    Wait, Obama and the democrats official position was that this was a crime and not a military action.
     
  4. madgator

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    Being that it was state employees with state and union benefits responding to a local crime....where does the federal government become responsible?

    Other than of course to make sure attorney's get their 40%?
     
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  5. nolancarey

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    So NYPD and Brooklyn 99 should have had a field trip to Afghanistan? Detective Jake Perralta would have found Osama, easy .. only after a zany Halloween episode! Mission accomplished!
     
  6. oragator1

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    NYC does have a disproportionate share of the fund already. And the bill covers federal employees on scene (as well as some others) But even without that...
    Many of these folks are no longer with the government, others have maxed out their lifetime insurance, others can’t afford the thousands in copays every year, others can’t work from illness. and oh yeah, at the current pace, more will die from this than from 9/11 itself. And for all that, these people, who rushed in to a disaster knowingly, are treated as hangers on by some.

    And even if all of that weren’t true, either it was an attack on our country or it wasn’t. Some of the sam people complaining now have used 9/11 to justify a 1 trillion dollar security apparatus that skirts the freedoms they claim to care about, but can’t treat the actual victims of the war?

    If we want to have a debate about how to pay for it I support that (even if RP, who I voted for more than once is a hypocrite on this vs the tax bill). But find the money, or stop pretending to care about 9/11.
     
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  7. duchen

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    Act of war.
     
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  8. GatorNorth

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    The federal government just set a bad precedent by not making Hawaii pay for the Pearl Harbor clean up after WW2.
     
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  9. VAg8r1

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    They will play lip service to fiscal responsibility and deficit reduction when it comes to relatively small federal expenditures that do not affect their constituents while having supported a tax bill that cut revenue magnitudes greater than the expenditure they're opposing. Not sure if anyone remembers, conservative Republicans blocked a supplemental for Hurricane Sandy disaster relief funds unless there was an offset in spending yet for some reason they didn't apply the same criteria to a disaster relief supplement following major tornado damage in Oklahoma the same year.
     
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  10. madgator

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    So you were against democrats position that the gitmo prisoners should receive the due process rights of a US citizen and that they should've been subject to military trials?
     
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  11. VAg8r1

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    You are aware the air piracy is a federal offense, not a state or local crime crime?
    49 U.S. Code § 46502. Aircraft piracy
     
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  12. gatorpika

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    Here's what Paul said about his tax bill vote:

    rest in link:

    Sen. Rand Paul: Here's why I plan to vote for the Senate tax bill (and my colleagues should step up)
     
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  13. nolancarey

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    You assume that people think the military judicial system is worth having in the first place. It's so different and antithetical to the understanding of U.S. justice.
     
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  14. madgator

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    I have literally no idea what you are saying here....and I have a JD
     
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  15. gatorpika

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    Normally yes and there is a statutory rule that requires new spending to be offset with revenue, but it has some exceptions for one off events like disaster relief, social security, some healthcare trust funds, etc. This fund would probably fall into those exemptions and he probably knows it and is grandstanding. If he really wants to make a dent in spending, he should be questioning why the defense ask is over $700B when we were spending around $600B with two wars going on.

    Statutory Pay-As-You-Go Act of 2010 - Wikipedia
     
  16. nolancarey

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    Thanks for catching that! I fixed it.
     
  17. PITBOSS

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    Trump followers don’t. Our deficits are growing more than ever and they say nothing because it’s no longer Obama. Such hypocrisy.
     
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    I am good with just about any spending cuts. 100 billion from defense is a good start. Let's add a hundred billion from social spending. That still leaves 800 billion more to go.
     
  19. PerSeGator

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    He won’t question that because he’s giddy as a school girl to rain money on defense contractors.

    He wants to cut taxes for his sponsors and give them massive paydays with federal deficit spending at the same time. He doesn’t give a rats ass about 9/11 first responders because they can’t line his pockets.
     
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  20. gator_lawyer

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    He wasn't concerned enough about the deficit when he voted in favor of the massive tax cuts. So, I guess his concern only manifests itself when he's shafting first responders.