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QUICK! Better Get Durbin to Lie Again or Another Sex Scandal

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by madgator, Jan 12, 2018.

  1. fredsanford

    fredsanford Premium Member

    Dec 1, 2008
  2. duchen

    duchen VIP Member

    Nov 25, 2017
    It is easy to find "alternative facts" when you can just make them up.
  3. gator_lawyer

    gator_lawyer Premium Member

    Oct 30, 2017
    Good. Hopefully, they keep it up.
  4. G. Gordon Gator

    G. Gordon Gator GC Hall of Fame

    May 3, 2017
    Oh my. Someone seems awfully triggered this evening. Gotta love it when the most perpetually disingenuous poster on the forum is telling people to, "stop pretending." :rolleyes:

    How about if you stop pretending it's not true that prior to the election, the left at large was predicting that a Trump presidency would lead to economic disaster? Not only has that not happened, but the economic recovery is now proceeding at a pace considerably faster than it was before the election.

    And, back to topic, these 2,500 additional jobs and employee bonuses at Fiat Chrysler were not planned or anticipated prior to the tax cut, which would not have happened if Clinton had won. :)
  5. docspor

    docspor GC Hall of Fame

    Nov 30, 2010
    Not a Clinton fan. Never voted for one. (disclosure: would gladly take slick over any of the shit we've had the last 17 years - not meant as a compliment to slick). Under Clinton, we'd probably have a more rapid decline in these basic manufacturing jobs, more of these jobs leaving, etc. & we'd a have far more H1-B visas for high skilled foreign workers. I think the latter are what have kept & will (hopefully) keep American great. Low skilled manufacturing is not gonna MAGA. I feel for these folks & their families. It aint nearly as easy for a worker to move to Laos then it is to set up shop there. But, there is very little wealth created by these jobs. Take the extreme - why not try to increase AG jobs? Is that what we want? IMO, our competitiveness depends crucially on being able to steal the best, brightest & most motivated from around the world & of course keep our home grown talent home.

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  6. fastsix

    fastsix Premium Member

    Apr 11, 2007
    I understand why you're upset. Missing out on one of the best bull markets of our lives has to hurt. The question is did you miss out because of your politics, or did you at least have a good reason?
  7. madgator

    madgator GC Hall of Fame

    May 28, 2007
    South Florida

    I was skeptical of the claimants......and for good reason

    and was proven correct:cool:
  8. madgator

    madgator GC Hall of Fame

    May 28, 2007
    South Florida

    Good for Obama to be the beneficiary of an oversold market when he took office......makes his record on the market look strong.....albeit artificially but what does that matter when we're talking democrats
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  9. VAg8r1

    VAg8r1 GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 8, 2007
    Edit -Serious correction
    And now Trump is the beneficiary of a market that has become way overbought since he took office. Although I'm in the minority. It's not going to last. Within the next year the bubble will burst.

    This is the Shiller S&P 500 PE Ratio as of January 12, 2018. Much more oversold than it was a year ago.
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  10. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    Dec 9, 2010
    No, you weren't. Are you seriously trying to argue that the fact that he only referred to immigrant from African countries as people we dont want because they are from shithole countries somehow makes it better? "Well it was offensive when he said it about Haitians, but we certainly dont want any of those Africans" is really a defense?
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  11. duchen

    duchen VIP Member

    Nov 25, 2017
    7 members of Congress in the room. 2 Senators heard it; 2 others "don recall," but don't deny it was said. Easily explained by the idea that when Trump spoke, they (understandably) were not listening or were on GC posting to threads here. What about the other 3?

    Lindsey Graham says he heard it and chastised the President.

    The defenses hear are interesting. 1) Trump did not say it and Durbin lied; b) the African countries are "sh**holes"; and c) the people from these countries who want to come to the US from these are not immigrants we want. Posters even post pictures from poor ares of countries where conditions are bad to support that those are "sh**hole" countries.

    It is accurate to say that POTUS was talking about the people from those countries, based on what he said and in the context of a meeting on immigration.
  12. WarDamnGator

    WarDamnGator GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 8, 2007
    Are you asking because you don't know? Because Obama's first year in office the stock market (S&P500) rose 26.5% ... his last year in office, his 8 year annualized average was 16.25% ... making him the second best president in history, only behind Clinton.

    Trump's first year was 19% on the SP500, slightly better than Obama's 8 year average, but worse than Obama's first year.

    Anyway, I think the answer to "Or much much much faster?" is no no and no.

  13. Gatorrick22

    Gatorrick22 VIP Member

    Apr 3, 2007
    So, you don't believe the CEO of Fiat-Chrysler then?
  14. danmann65

    danmann65 GC Hall of Fame

    May 22, 2015
    The difference is that Trump treats Ametican jobs as a good thing and publicizes companies that invest in America. Obama and Hillary treated manufacturing as a neccessary evil.
  15. g8orbill

    g8orbill Old Gator VIP Member

    Apr 3, 2007
    Clermont, Fl