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Prosecutors ask for 7-9 years for Roger Stone

Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by rivergator, Feb 11, 2020.

  1. gator_fever

    gator_fever GC Hall of Fame

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    I doubt that would matter if she clearly lied during the questioning.

    She said all Trump related people were KKK etc. or retweeted stuff like that. Also made light of Stone being raided by the FBI with her retweets.
     
  2. Gator515151

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    Don't you thing they might have been able to find a juror who wasn't actively tweeting her opinions?
     
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  3. duchen

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    The new Barr AUSA is supposed to respond? That’s rich.
     
  4. g8rjd

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    I don’t think that gets them there tbh. She said she could put her opinions out of her mind and be impartial by following the instructions. The issue to me is the questionnaire answer and whether an accurate answer would have established a cause strike. We shall see.
     
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  5. AzCatFan

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    That's on Stone's lawyers. If the juror answered honestly and they still didn't request a dismissal, then the lawyers made a critical mistake.
     
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  6. rivergator

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    You’d think looking up a potential jurors social media postings would be standard operating procedure for a trial like this, or a more serious crime
     
  7. g8rjd

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    For preempotory use, yes. If untruthful and the correct answer would, in fact, demonstrate a proper cause strike, no. But that is a REALLY high standard.
     
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  8. AzCatFan

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    We don't know how the juror answered. And it's impossible for anyone to remember every social media post a person has made in the past few years. It's possible the juror put down she might have posted a few things against Trump, and in her mind, be telling the truth, because a handful of posts over a few years may be only a small percentage of things she's put online. But put all the posts over the course of a few years right next to each other, and it looks like it tells a different story.

    If she lied, regardless if it was intentional or not, then Stone's lawyers might have something. But agreed, it's a high standard.

    We also don't know how many preempts Stone's lawyers had already used. Correct me if I'm wrong, but each side only gets a certain number depending on the type of charges. It's possible that this juror's social media accounts were tame compared to jurors who were dismissed. If this is the case, then the appeal will likely fail. Again, try finding 12 potential jurors who don't have an opinion on the President one way or another. Almost impossible.
     
  9. gtr2x

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    Time to let the judge sentence Stone. Then Trump can pardon him and quickly get back to the real WH business, enriching DJT and associates.
     
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  10. gator_fever

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    Finally found a transcript source for what was said between this jury forewoman and the Judge and Stone's lawyers at least at one point in the questioning. Being a lawyer she seems to keep her answers pretty simple and basic claiming she doesn't know much about the stuff except for sometimes CNN might be on in the background and the standard could judge things fairly BS. The only 100% lie that could probably be proved is she claims she doesn't watch C-Span but refers to watching it in one tweet she had but they would never charge someone just for that. But as far as her claiming she wouldn't have any bias for the case her facebook posts and tweets make a joke of that claim.

    Judge:
    “Is there anything about his affiliation with the Trump campaign and the Republican party in general that gives you any reason to pause or hesitate or think that you couldn’t fairly evaluate the evidence against him?” Jackson asked.

    Hart answer: “No.”

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  11. duchen

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    There is nothing these that shows bias against Stone or suggests a false answer. She was asked whether his affiliation with the Trump campaign would make her unable to fairly evaluate the evidence against Stone. She said no. She is entitled to dislike Trump and what Trump stands for and serve on a jury. Stone was not entitled to a jury comprised of jurors who like Trump or his campaign. And after the verdict, she can tweet what she wants about her impression of the case and the evidence. Assuming that is what the same day tweet is about. But, it doesn’t mention Stone. Once again, the right is spreading a false narrative that implies a political litmus test to serve on a jury and that someone opposed to the president cannot serve on a jury of one of his campaign cutouts or supporters. None of this supports a challenge for cause, a lie by the juror or that the trial was unfair. We live in dangerous times. Shame on Cervinovich. Again.
     
  12. gator_fever

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    she made light of Stones FBI raid arrest in a retweet.
     
  13. duchen

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    No. She compared the reaction of the arrest to the lack of reaction during the typical arrest of people of color in ordinary cases. There is a motion pending. We will see what the Judge does. Perhaps she lied in the questionnaire about social media posts. Perhaps not. Perhaps there will be a hearing. Perhaps not. Perhaps the conviction will be vacated. Perhaps not. Perhaps, if vacated, there will be a new trial. Perhaps not. Perhaps the Barr prosecutor will decide he doesn’t want to try the case or will be orders to not retry it. Perhaps not. Perhaps there would be a pardon before a retrial. But, what is on this thread is not enough. Because political beliefs are not grounds for disqualification of a juror.
     
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  14. rivergator

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    Trump is still tweeting about the case

    Trump maintains online criticism of Roger Stone case, despite AG Barr's plea to stop

    But the judge isn't budging on sentencing date.

    Judge Unwilling to Delay Stone Sentencing Amid His Retrial Bid
     
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    Balko has done some absolutely kick ass journalism.
     
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  18. intimigator1

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    For the past 25 years I have argued this same point and the reactions were it could never happen because of checks and balances. My point has centered on the fact too few people vote in all elections and when they do they have done zero looking into the history of the candidates. Also, somewhere down the line, and Northwest Florida embodies this, people think having a 20 term representative gives them power but it doesnt.
    I never saw this happening in the fashion it has but regardless of ones fake political devotion we are all going to lose by what Republicans have done. There is no polite way of putting it. For anyone to defend the trend put into place and the extremes it has gone simply defies rationality.
     
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  19. Trickster

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    Even worse than Republicans being complicit with the president is the Attorney General joining in.

    The Rubicon is in sight, and I fear we will cross it in November.
     
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