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Political Upheaval? Time to Get Your Marxism On

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by chemgator, Jul 15, 2019.

  1. chemgator

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    at a Socialism conference. Sharpen your teeth--we have a civilization to destroy.

    I Went to a Socialism Conference. Here Are 6 Shocking Things I Learned.

    Yikes! You wonder if these people ever watched Monty Python's Holy Grail. "We're being repressed!"

    It's o.k., though, they embrace the democratic (people-friendly) socialism of Sweden, not the totalitarian socialism of Venezuela. Do they not realize that Venezuela, as most countries did, started out as a people-friendly socialist country, and became totalitarian as they ran out of money? Hello? Anybody home?
     
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    I think the whole socialism debate misses the underlying issue.
    These calls are coming because the middle class is disappearing, social mobility is disappearing, people with college degrees are working at starbucks, families with two working parents are barely making ends meet (or worse) etc.
    In the same way Trump and his almost incalculable number of faults was elected because of anger he could represent, don’t underestimate the anger from the other side. To mock it and not address the motivation is to invite the reverse of 2016.
     
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  4. uftaipan

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    I understand (even if I don't agree with) the idea of motherhood as a form of repression for females. I mean, I get that being a decent mother means setting aside career goals in a way that it does not for fathers. But I also understand that men, inherently evil and self-serving as we all might be, did not design the biology either. So the implicit blame and man-shaming of this idea is more than a little farfetched. More to the point, without reproduction, where are the future workers supposed to come from? Is the workers' paradise really just a giant suicide pact where all men and women work equally until they die of old age and no one replaces them? (Trying to imagine a giant nursing home without a young staff to keep the old fed and safe from wandering off) As far as I know, we currently have the technology to fertilize new life without mothers but not to gestate life to term. Ironically, if we go full-retard socialism, then that technology will probably never exist no matter its necessity to this model. What is the point of being a brilliant scientist, researching and developing in the lab, if your share of the fruits is the same as the dude who does next to nothing?
     
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  5. fastsix

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    There were bigger crowds at my high school's basketball games...and we weren't very good at basketball. From the website:

    "Join more than 2000 leftwing activists and authors..."

    I think that 2000 figure must include the event staff, security, and anybody who happened to be staying at the hotel it was held at.

    To put that number into perspective, we have a convention here in Seattle called "Pax Prime". It grew out of a web comic called "Penny Arcade". It's attendance last year was 70,000.

    I think we're safe from the socialists taking over our country for awhile still. Makes more sense to worry about the comic book convention attendees taking over. God forbid Americans were forced to wear spandex costumes. Oh wait, that's already happening, every other woman I see is wearing stretch pants these days. It might already be too late!

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  6. uftaipan

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    I'll answer your question as honestly as I can. First, it's important to understand that regardless of what people will admit, there is a spot in everyone's heart for religion even if they don't know it's religion. For some, love of the Gators fills that hole. For some Air Force officers I've met, it's a doctrine of Airpower that can win wars all by itself. For others, it's Socialism. And like dealing with any religious person, you're not very likely to change their minds by citing history, science, common sense, or any kind of other contradictory evidence to what they believe. So saying things like, "Have you learned nothing from Eastern Europe, Venezuela et al?" is just like saying "Why do radiometric dating, the fossil record, and geology all independently suggest the world is around a billion years old and not about 10,000?" And the answer for why certain prophecies never come true is usually some form of because we didn't do "enough" of what our religion told us to do.

    In short, my friend, while I understand the validity of your question, you are not like to persuade anyone with it.
     
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  7. Gatorrick22

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    Sweden does not have a socialized government... Private industries are legal and NOT owned by the government, like in Venezuela.
     
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    That basically describes Germany too, with a few exceptions - railroads and hospitals come to mind - which is referred to as "democratic socialism".
     
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    Most klan rallies number in the dozens or hundreds, but some here tend to extrapolate that to the entire GOP. So can we say more people than attended this conference believe many of these ideas or shall we say racism is limited to guys actually wearing white hoods at rallies? In either case that number is somewhere between 0 and 100%, but most likely pretty small in both cases?
     
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  11. wgbgator

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    Didn't Venezuela start off as a brutally repressive capitalist country? Well going back to the very beginning I guess quasi-feudal might be the best descriptor.
     
  12. rivergator

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    We're a big country. There's going to be lots of people with different beliefs.
     
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    Most of Venezuela's economy is privatized too.
     
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  14. Gatorrick22

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    Not the biggest money making machine... oil, and not the utilities... Plus in that type of governance the government stays in power like a dictator in a communist nation. And they can take any private company away from anyone it wants to.

    Also, it can fire the leadership and install their private puppets to run any money making industry or utility company that it wants. All of which the Dems, one or another, has mentioned to some degree. I specifically remember Hillary saying that she would FIRE all coal miners and offer them free money to sit at home...

    Does any rational person think that the government that can and will take one company will stop with just one company, business, industry or utility?
     
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    All it takes is a few to change this country's course. You don't need a majority, we've all seen how media can latch onto one person and turn it into a movement. I see the seeds of socialism in the media and in Congress and all it needs it is little Miracle Grow in the form of a catastrophe or an event to push us over the edge. If it weren't an issue, Bernie would be just another Perot.
     
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    Yep, privatized...as in they took business from their owners and gave them to "privates" in the military.
     
  17. chemgator

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    I think that the issue is that these beliefs happen to match some of the democrat leadership in Congress (certainly AOC).
     
  18. chemgator

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    I think that businesses were more generalized than privatized.
     
  19. rivergator

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    AOCDS? ;)
     
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  20. gatorpika

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    Most of economy revolves around oil, which is public sector. The currency is controlled by the government, so no foreign trade takes place directly but instead they have to go through the government to convert their Bolivars to dollars received from oil sales. Even things as simple as purchasing an international plane ticket require this process. As oil prices dropped and production took a dive from poor management, the rest of the economy went to hell because of the trade restrictions and worthlessness of their money. But yeah, more people work in the private sector, to the extent that they even have a job at all anymore.