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Police shot and killed 1,021 people in 2020, most on record

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by wgbgator, Jul 30, 2021.

  1. GatorNorth

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    they’re in this year’s numbers :)
     
  2. GatorNorth

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    do you call most “car crashes” people crashes as well because cars (unless autonomous) are inanimate?
     
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  3. tampagtr

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    In case we think police are always intimidating. I found this amusing
     
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  4. gator95

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    Since murders are up significantly in most US cities this makes sense.
     
  5. stingbb

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    And you are surprised about this? Violent crime has skyrocketed the last year and at the same time, our system keeps putting criminals back on the street. When you have that combination, police shootings are going to increase.

    Just this weekend in New York, a 26-yr old gang banger shot a cop during a confrontation. This guy had 25 prior arrests, including eight felonies, and he is running the streets of NYC. Unfortunately, he only just arrested and wasn’t another violent criminal who was justifiably shot by police.
     
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  6. mutz87

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    When has there been a time when our system hasn't put offenders back on the street?

    It's kinda how it works. Serve your sentence, get released.

    Funny you mention NYC. Despite the increase in homicides in 2020, serious violent crime dropped by 37k incidences from 2019.
     
  7. WC53

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    NY Commish was on news today talking about gang shootings. Youngsters riding up on scooters, masked and start shooting. South America style violence
     
  8. mutz87

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    No need for include *South* :D
     
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  9. WC53

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    Lol, we were just slow on the use of scooters ;)
     
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  10. stingbb

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    Nationwide though with murders alone, there was a 25% increase in 2020 (and murders are up another 15% so far in 2021 over last year). Aggravated assaults were up almost 10%. Robberies did drop but despite the lockdown mandates that were in place for much of the year, the violent crime was still up 3% in 2020.
     
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  11. mutz87

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    Not sure where the 3% increase comes from, but it wouldn't surprise me. There's a similar feel to me as 2014-2016 where homicides made a noticeable jump, but other violent crimes, not so much. Have to see.
     
  12. 108

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    A reflection of our society at large.

    The failed margins are the cost of doing business here.

    In order to have the extreme wealth, you must also have the poverty.
     
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  13. mutz87

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    For those interested, the flip side of the coin: civilians murdering police, there were 59 in 2020, or slightly more than one above the 16y average of 57.98. The leading cause of police line of duty deaths in 2020 was covid @ 230, or 219 above the 16yr average of 150.
     
  14. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Gotta love libbies who bend over backwards to defend criminals…
     
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  15. GatorFanCF

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    I don't buy your last statement at all. It shows a worldview of "sum zero" - when Jane gets $ Billions, Bobby must get less. Do these three things in the USA and you're chance of evading poverty throughout your life is excellent:
    1. Graduate High School
    2. Don't have a baby (or father a baby) until you're married
    3. Don't get married until you're at least 20 years old.

    I don't begrudge Jeff Bezos his trip to space or other (legal) indulgences, nor Bill Gates, nor anyone else as long as they earned their wealth legally.
    You have a roof over your head, you have food, clothing, an iPhone you are NOT in poverty. Folks in USA for the most part have no idea of what crushing poverty looks like. Now, we've moved from "poverty" defined as unable to support basic needs to "inequality" defined as "Joe has more stuff than I have and I don't like it." Never been a better time to earn and create wealth; but, it's tough to do when your focus is on others and not on what you can create.
     
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  16. snatchmagnet

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    Saw this thread title and knew there would be some jewels. So far, you’re the winner.
     
  17. snatchmagnet

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    I’m not sure what classifies violent crimes. Is that arrests made? Is that looting and burning buildings? Cause I saw a sh.tpile of that stuff last summer that ended in few arrests.
     
  18. mutz87

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    There was def widespread destruction of property and looting. Where it was in large values, they were likely reported to the FBI as Part II destruction of property (and will only show up in the UCR if arrests were made). With looting, they'll likely be reported as larcenies. However, larcenies would also show up in the UCR if arrests were made.

    I don't think it's accurate to say there weren't any arrests. In LA, for example, police made over 3k arrests for looting and destruction of property--that was only LA city proper. Many other arrests in LA county/other LA cities made arrests.

    As for general issues regarding reporting of crime by the FBI through the UCR, here are some basic facts:

    As classified by the FBI UCR, violent crimes are crimes against the person and are classified as either Part I Violent Index Crimes (murder, rape, robbery, & agg assault)--i.e the crimes we use to "measure" crime.

    Or as Part II Non-Index Violent Crimes (simple assault, kidnapping, and sex offenses except rape etc.)

    There are also Part I Property Index Crimes (burglary, larceny, auto theft, and arson) with the rest being Part II Non-Index Property or Other Non-Violent Crimes. Looting would fall into Part I larcenies while destruction of property and/or vandalism would be reported as Part II Non-violent property crimes, with the exception being if the incident involved arson, which is a Part I property crime.

    FBI UCR reports contain statistics on both incidences and arrests for Part I crimes but only statistics on arrests for Part II crimes.

    Also, due to the *hierarchy rule* if an incident involves multiple offenses, only the most serious offense is reported in the UCR. For instance, if a person robs & kills a another, only the murder will be reported by the FBI, not the robbery. Same if that person is arrested.
     
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  19. dadx4

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    Technically that is correct so you are game in banning both?