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Police shooting of minors

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by l_boy, May 2, 2021.

  1. l_boy

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    Your arguments are clearly not to convince but to flame other people. You create an exaggerated straw man that nobody is advocating then you burn it down with moral indignation. You must be feeling guilt due to your extreme need to virtue signal.
     
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    Generally, the least racially tolerant countries were in Africa and Asia. In contrast, the most tolerant countries were Latin countries, Scandinavian countries, and the United Kingdom and its former colonies (the United States, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand).
    Least Racist Countries 2021
     
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    And apparently you don't like cops being called out for murder and that due to it's not being overwhelming statistically does not justify reporting and is a non issue - well that's your opinion.

    You also keep stating violent crime is going down in this country which may be true. Given this stat I assume you think all is well in our society?

    I am not "flaming you". I happen to believe racism and economic stratification are things that adversely effect the country, apparently you don't, we can disagree then .......
     
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    Its impossible to argue that we aren't overpoliced in a country with a prison population like ours. If you think arguing "actually the police didn't kill as many children as you think" is a good argument for anything, as I've said on other threads, we just aren't going to see eye to eye. Looking at those numbers you could deduce that guns and kids don't mix in a lot of contexts, yet its not like the people defending the cops are going to do anything about that either. Being a cop isnt as dangerous as people think either, but again, that side is never really presented. Cops are allowed to feel like they under siege by the people, people arent allowed to believe they are under siege from the cops.
     
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  5. l_boy

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    Again, creating ridiculous straw man positions and attaching them to others. If you can't correctly extrapolate other people's views from their posts then discussion with you is futile.
     
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    I would actually like to know what your point is in your own thread? Do NOTHING??

    You linked a story and then gave this summary:

    The Numbers Tell a Different Story About Police Killings of Minors

    "Many Americans are misinformed about the dimensions of this problem––and are prone to accept disturbing but false narratives, such as that police officers in America hunt and kill Black children, or radical remedies, such as defunding or abolishing the police in the name of protecting children. The wrong solutions might well result in the deaths of more children from causes other than police killings."

    Based on the above you seem to be saying that attempting a solution to addressing police killing minors ............... may be destructive / negative and may result in more minors being killed by that. Talk about straw man -

    So this misdirected piece warns of the dangers of doing ANYTHING toward a solution MAY be worse than the actual facts of what is happening now?

    This of course could apply to anything, the ostrich head in the sand theory ..... do nothing, it may be worse........... than trying to make it better............

    How Conservative of You!







     
  7. WC53

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    Outrage based on false pretenses is fake outrage.

    No one disagrees with huge economic and education disparities in our country. It all breaks down along poverty lines. Now throw in Mr Crow and concentrated poverty and you have where we are now. Exaggerating occurrences inflames and does not solve anything.
    Policing got dialed up as violent crime spiked. The black neighborhoods were screaming for help. Now when crime started going down, down, down, were policing tactics changed? Many places yes, others no. Look at crime maps of cities, where are all the violent crimes concentrated? Look at crime rates by neighborhoods not cities.
    We have a lot of work to do.
     
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    And you base this on what exactly?

    Your personal anecdotal observation?
     
  9. l_boy

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    :facepalm:
     
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    Systemic racism and economic stratification (which is an outcome of our history of systemic racism) are critical components to understanding this issue.

    And while l-boy is right on there being liberals who misunderstand the total number of police killings--thinking there are many more than there are, he and others in the same ideological boat hew myopically to killings, and thus refuse to consider how the hyper-aggressive war on drugs & broken windows policing (and not to mention systemic racism in the courts) has been a major driver continuing systemic racism in policing and perceptions that blacks are under attack--in particular in poor communities--but not exclusive to them. Some of these folks seem to only have recently discovered this issue and it's coming from reacting to media.

    There is a swath of folks in the US who want to pretend that racism isn't a problem because it implicates them as part of the public that has long supported aggressive policing, advocating for the war on drugs and for police crackdowns etc. There is a lot of ownership of this misguided thinking on both sides.

    Unfortunately, among them are folks who also repeat rw talking points and invoke "black on black" crime or *Chicago* as a response to everything black & crime related--as if the small percentage of blacks involved in crime is an indictment of all blacks, thus justifiying police aggressiveness-this misguided and ill-informed thinking has a racist underpinning too. They just don't realize it. Or don't want to realize it.
     
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    Completely agree and over emphasizing the number of police shootings is the other side of the misguided and ill informed rhetoric. Common understanding and definitions of the problems are needed to work on solutions. Education and jobs. Everyone rich already ops out of public education to further tilt the scales.
     
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