Police shoot and kill another guy in his own home ...

most cops don’t have the mental acuity or emotional IQ or temperament for the job. This guy should never have been given a gun. My reasonable suggestion is to partially disarm the police force. No armored vehicles bazooks, machine guns and whatever military kit they’re play acting with. New cops get a Tazer and a partner for 1 year before getting a gun, and only after reviewing their job and a full psych work up. People joining from the military get increased scrutiny.

As for this clown he needs to cool his heels in general pop for at least 20 years.

 

Most cops eh? Based on what statistical analysis?
I am trying to remember what it’s called when an entire group of people is negatively judged by the actions of a few. It will come to me.

 

Very slight exaggeration. Maybe 30%. My disarmament plan is much needed.

 

Again, based on what?
Let me go another route, if you had to guess, what percentage of police interactions result in an unarmed person being shot and killed? Because that’s what this thread is about. And without giving the answer, I will save everyone the time, yes one is too many.

But it’s roughly one in a million. Your odds of being an unarmed person killed by the police are roughly the same odds as being struck by lighnting.

But that doesn’t sell papers or generate clicks. So here we are.

 

You’re wasting your time with these two.

 

Take out everyone who’s middle class or higher. What’s the %? They don’t do their Rambo act on people with any means. My disarmament plan is a step to better policing

 

I would wager it is very, very teeny but their victims aren't a percent dead. They are 100% dead. The teeny matters.

 

In the last year I saw numbers for, there were “only” 93 such cases among everyone. And 29 percent of all people identify as being below middle class. So even if every one of them was in that group, it’s still around 1/300k.

There are legitimate concerns with policing, especially with a small number of bad officers who aren’t disciplined, or departments like MSP that clearly had issues. But that’s where the focus should be instead of turning to stereotyping 700k people based on a few YouTube videos or isolated cases. It’s literally everything liberals have accused republicans of for decades -fear or anecdotally driven positions not based in reality.
It’s one of the reasons Dems can’t win layup elections nationally like they should. But the narrative doesn’t seem to change.

 

My disarmament plan is slightly different......I say we disarm the criminal types.

 

I’m not justifying or rationalizing these incidents, of course anything over zero is bad. But how bad is training when it happens one out of every million interactions?
When you have 700k officers nationally, if .0015 percent of them are bad or poorly trained, you get the numbers for incidents like what you posted. How reasonable is it to do better than that in any training endeavor, even when rightfully striving for zero?
Bad cops being protected by their departments or specific bad departments generally is the much bigger issue IMO.

 

Sounds about right. These cops will be dead ass wrong and then they’ll arrogantly act like they weren’t at fault.

Not to derail but it reminds me of a recent incident where a guy was accused by his employer of stealing an item, and the cops barged in and arrested him without providing any explanation of why he was being detained. Then when the employer found the missing item a few minutes later, the cops sheepishly let the man go and acted like they didn’t just terribly violate his rights.



Fortunately for this guy, he didn’t lose his life over the bumbling, stumbling cop’s incompetence like the victim in the OP did.

 

I'm almost with you on that but we need to disarm the population. Can’t do it with taking guns. My reasonable plan? Everyone gets 25 rounds a year an la the Israeli model. enough for a Glock shoot out with bandits and some rounds left over to shoot Bambi. Unlimited purchases at the range for target shooting but the rounds stay there. It would probably take a decade for the nutter to run out of ammo.

We’re a homicidal lot though so that unfortunately won’t happen.

 

100% agreement.

Please explain how you would go about that.

 

Small number of bad officers? How would you define bad?

 

I had a cop enter my house without announcing himself. I didn't know he was in the house till I saw him in the hallway, aiming his revolver at my head.

I had accidentally set off the security alarm. I turned it off, and after several minutes of no contact I didn't think any more about it. I'm probably lucky that I was later able to think any more at all.

 

You could apply the "statistically unlikely" argument to mass shootings too (as well as almost all violent crime, including ones where cops are killed or wounded), is that an argument for whistling past the grave yard or defunding police? I mean the governor of one of the biggest states called up the national guard and basically shat on the highly unlikely possibility you'd be the victim of a crime on the NY subway.

 

I would start by enforcing the laws on the books now and cracking down hard on any criminal that uses a gun in any law-breaking stunt. I don't think we arrest, hold and prosecute harshly enough, so many of these criminals realize they will be back out in a few hours. If you are or I have an arrest warrant out on us, we probably be very nervous, or turn ourselves in to try and figure out what is going on. So many of these criminals almost look at it as badge of honor and doesn't hardly affect their day-to-day life. But let's do what we already can before we add more layers to it.