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Pfizer receives full FDA approval

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by g8rjd, Aug 23, 2021.

  1. danmann65

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    State farm is my insurance company and for about the last year I have had one of their devices in my vehicle tracking my driving habits. I have always thought that was exactly their plan to deny coverage. For the record I typically speed slightly on I4 and the app says I brake to hard. I acknowledge speeding but wonder what the app wants me to do when traffic stops in front of me.
     
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  2. GatorNorth

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    Just curious-have you ever been tested for covid, or had an antibody test? Otherwise how would you know whether you had an asymptomatic case?
     
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  3. NavyGator93

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    I was going to ask that question, but didn't want him to spiral out of control
     
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  4. tilly

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    Why? He clearly stated that he went to the show earlier this month (A quick verifies the St Louis show) and your article says the policy will take effect for future shows.
    It's literally in the title. "Upcoming". I think their MSG show was vaxed, but not all of them.
     
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  5. tilly

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    That's all nice. But talking about premium increases is moving the goal post.
    You said non coverage. My Insurance may go up if I speed, but if the policy exists they will still pay if I am in an accident.
    If the life insurance company charges me more to add skydiving to the policy then they will still pay it if I go splat.

    Policy increases exist and are normal. That is not what you were advocating at all.
     
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  6. NavyGator93

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    The article states vaccines are required for upcoming shows, that doesn't mean they weren't required for past shows. Seems like if FF wanted you vaxed in Jun, they probably wanted you vaxed in August in st louis.
    Just a guess, not positive.
     
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  7. GrandPrixGator

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    It would have been interesting to see how this would have all gone down if this were 1985. No internet, no social media, less political divisiveness, more sensible leadership, etc. I suspect much differently. What happened to the days that we all had a more collective sense of responsibility to each other? I can't imagine us putting in the sacrifices that EVERYBODY did during WW2. Having an individualistic spirit and loving your neighbor doesn't have to be antithetical.
     
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  8. coleg

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    So are you implying that the societal risks of covid are the same as speeding? If I speed 40 in a 30 zone is my ticket $50,000? If I skydive, and choose the higher premium, it doesn't really risk innocent people. These things I feel are much different. Bigger threat (non coverage) for the much bigger risks.
     
  9. tilly

    tilly Superhero Mod. Fast witted. Bulletproof posts. Moderator VIP Member

    The June deal was a special MSG show.
     
  10. tilly

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    Reagan would have masked up day one and Tip O'Neal would have fought him tooth and nail! :D
     
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  11. tilly

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    1. The conversation was CHILDREN and I challenge that car accidents are more of a threat to them than Covid as the data clearly shows. That data makes a clear shift in the opposite direction the older one gets.
    2. Still a slippery slope. Do some research on the danger and severity of an accident every 10 miles over. The flu harms others. Would you support insurance companies from paying out for flu illnesses too? Chicken Pox? Rotavirus? What is your line for when an insurer should withhold payment? Football is risky, maybe insurance companies don't cover my son if he breaks his arm because he didn't form tackle correctly? We have a friend who was paralyzed on a trampoline in his teens. Should his parents be bankrupt because they did not put a net on his trampoline? (My kids would never be on one without a net, but he was.) That slope cant be allowed to get greased.
    3. First amendment issues exist for some folks based on religious grounds, though I cant figure those out. My faith certainly doesn't have an issue with them. That alone will likely kill your plan.
     
  12. tampagtr

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    Well you certainly proved me wrong. I didn't realize you have been getting tested weekly. Oh that's right, that's not necessary, because Covid is always symptomatic. If you didn't have symptoms, you can be certain you never had it and passed it on, even to people of lesser physical and moral stature than yourself, who likely deserve their fate if they did get it.
     
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  13. officelife

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    Sorry, NME is usually pretty good, so I skimmed the article. I think they were referencing “future” Alaskan shows and not the entire Foo Fighters Tour.

    Foo Fighters announced the COVID requirements for their concerts, starting with the small 600 person concert in LA June 15th. Then again with the first major concert in NYC in June 20th. They have been in the news a lot after their announcement, which is what caught my eye when I read the post.

    better article but with LA fluff
    Some fans turn against Foo Fighters after hearing concert-goers need proof of vaccination

    More detailed:
    Foo Fighters Draw Protesters Over Vaccination Requirements

    Best I could find for St Louis
    www.reddit.com/r/Foofighters/comments/owwcqm/august_3rd_2021_st_louis_mo_hollywood_casino/
    [I broke the link since reddit likes to be reddit and wants to post the entire message...]
     
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  14. G8trGr8t

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    no, if my mask was fullproof I wouldn't care if you wanted to off yourself, but please do so by yourself and don't overburden the medical system in the process.

    My mask only works if you wear your mask. I know that, it's way I am pissed that others either A)put me at jeopardy or 2) Require that I isolate myself from whatever area they may want to go or accept the risk of contracting a deadly disease. Should I have to hide or remove myself from public activities so that you can avoid the vaccine and the mask?
     
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  15. G8trGr8t

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    does it matter? if so, this should move your needle, if not, it doesn't matter.

    U.S. Reports Record COVID Hospitalizations of Children (webmd.com)


    Aug. 16, 2021 -- The number of children hospitalized with COVID-19 in the U.S. hit a record high on Saturday, with more than 1,900 kids in hospitals.

    Hospitals across the South are running out of beds as the contagious Delta variant spreads, mostly among unvaccinated people. Children make up about 2.4% of the country’s COVID-19 hospitalizations, and those under 12 are particularly vulnerable since they’re not eligible to receive a vaccine.

    “This is not last year’s COVID,” Sally Goza, former president of the American Academy of Pediatrics, told CNN on Saturday.

    “This one is worse, and our children are the ones that are going to be affected by it the most,” she said.

    The number of newly hospitalized COVID-19 patients for ages 18-49 also hit record highs this week. A fifth of the nation’s hospitalizations are in Florida, where the number of COVID-19 patients hit a record high of 16,100 on Saturday. More than 90% of the state’s intensive care unit beds are filled.

    More than 90% of the ICU beds in Texas are full as well. On Friday, there were no pediatric ICU beds available in Dallas or the 19 surrounding counties, which means that young patients would be transported father away for care — even Oklahoma City.

    “That means if your child’s in a car wreck, if your child has a congenital heart defect or something and needs an ICU bed, or more likely, if they have COVID and need an ICU bed, we don’t have one,” Clay Jenkins, a Dallas County judge, said on Friday.

    “Your child will wait for another child to die,” he said.
     
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  16. G8trGr8t

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    vaccine isn't 100%, neither is the mask, neither are all the kids or the people who cannot get vaccines due to other treatments underway. Yes, we do have to worry about you. At a minimum, be mask compliant
     
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  17. channingcrowderhungry

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    Here's my problem with this take, because it's an interesting one that I thought about for a while after you posted it. You are throwing everyone in one box and wanting them to be treated and judged equally. But when it comes to Covid and the vaccine there are good actors and bad actors. Why should the expectation on selflessness continue to fall on the same group of people?

    "Rugged American Individualism" is a just a washed-out moniker from the 1800s. We live in a complex, intertwined, modern society that comes with norms of being a member of that society. If someone doesn't want to get vaccinated for some non-essentual reason, that person is no longer acting in good faith as a member of that society. Shouldn't the onus be on that person to stay home since they are the ones no longer acting in the interest of OUR societiy's good? Yet those people are the ones clogging up the hospitals and helping expedite the spread. So yes, I am just in blaming others for my family's vulnerability. In fact, there is no other way to look at it, unless your expectation is that we all need cater to the lowest common denominator, the anti-vaxxeers.

    So no, having a child and worrying about my families health is not selfish because there are people out there not acting in the best interest of our society, whereas we have been. Again, good actors and bad actors. Should I not have expectations that when a vaccine presented itself my fellow countrymen would do what's best for our country? Previous generations were asked for much larger sacrifices for the greater good of our society than taking a vaccine. Tying to lump everyone together on some righteousness valuation doesn't fly.

    I didn't take your post personally, btw. I thought it was thought provoking and reasonable.
     
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  18. channingcrowderhungry

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    That is weirdly identical! Our biggest concern is the 2 year old bringing something home, so we've put off him going to play school as long as we can.
     
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  19. g8rjd

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    We would have all been sick. Think 1918. No Internet means no one would have been working at home. And it would have looked like the AIDS scare but would have been by respiratory illness.

    It would have been very bad.
     
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  20. G8trGr8t

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    Unless you have been tested continuously, you don't know if you haven't had it. You may have been asym and spread it to people that died or suffered greatly from it. I have travelled to Alaska 2x, Seattle, Portland, all over Fla and have lived a fairly normal life but don't take unnecessary risks and mask up. I am dependent on the vaccine and on others wearing masks for my public indoor activities though
     
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