Discussion in 'Nuttin' but Net' started by 407king, Mar 26, 2021.
They were here because they were really good players who signed with the wrong team.
there are 800 kids in the transfer portal. There is no way all 800 are looking to transfer to a team that is going to contend for a championship. Kids transfer for numerous and pick their destination for a myriad of reasons.
Is anyone really surprised at glover and osifo? I mean if you asked the board weeks ago who is likely to leave, those two would have been in my top 3. I would have included jit. Ques basically had his minutes cut down to zero by the tournament and osifu cant score. I'm not upset or surprised to see them go. Locke was a surprise but with reeves coming in, I can see it happening.
Pure guess here but I'm thinking that the coaches are having year end evaluations with these kids and some are just not hearing what they want to hear. I doubt they are bing told to leave, just told that they aren't going to be in the position they want next year.
Too many players that aren’t SEC caliber, and too few that are.
Way too many holes in Mike White’s job performance, and I’m not sure why he’s being given so much slack.
Your giving White too much slack. IMO, everyone of these guys were SEC caliber as were the previous players driven off by White. That doesn’t mean that they all were starter-level players, but they were capable of playing in the SEC. Yesterday, when I listed players who had left UF and went on to play elsewhere, someone posted that Brandone Francis didn’t do much after he left UF. Brandone was the 6th man on the Texas Tech team that played in the national title game a few years ago. Brandone wasn’t great at Texas Tech, but he played 24 MPG there in his senior year, and he scored 17 points against Virginia in the national title game. He is exactly the type of player that you don’t want to run off. He also is exactly the type of player that White runs off. That’s why our bench generally sucks, but the tendency of the posters seems to be to think that these kids cannot play.
Glover? Absolutely. He seemed to just be over his had at this level.
Osifu? No, not really. He was basically what everyone thought he would be. A defensive specialist, an energy guy who would bring 5 fouls off the bench. He was never going to have a huge role, but you had to think he knew that coming in. So it’s hard to see what the deal is. Although his minutes might have been even less than what he wanted. He did have an increasing role down the stretch, it’s kind of odd. But if he wasn’t happy with 10-15 minutes, it is what it is. That wouldn’t be likely to change next year.
Lewis’s struggles raises flags (whether he returns or not). Nembhard and Locke leaving raise flags. Most of the others didn’t. Especially the PG’s and SG’s that couldn’t crack the lineup here.
Francis as a freshmen was the worst shooting from a guard I’ve ever seen at UF. EVER. He got more respectable at tech once the game slowed down for him, but are we really lamenting a guy that peaked at 6.5ppg? Really? Most of the transfers taken on their own were non-events, in totality it’s an issue because you generally can’t win with that much roster turnover. It takes 2 or 3 years keeping a core group together to start gelling and making a run at a championship. But that core has to be good players, not guys averaging 6.5ppg.
For the most part the transfers have been bad talent evals. The only one in my mind that was a shame was Ballard, he had some serious offensive skill and appeared to be the exact type of guard a White likes/wants/needs. Much more refined offense than Lewis was already on display from him. Some on here said he was constantly out of position on D and was thus in the doghouse, but who really knows at this point. The sheer amount of transfers can only point to it being some type of problem with the coaches (even if it’s just talent evals), you can’t blame the players when practically every single recruited HS player (except Mann who just declared for the NBA) has not worked out as envisioned (and even Mann underperformed pretty badly as a frosh, but he did do the big 2nd year jump as you hope players do).
It is important to have some upper classmen even if they are role players off the bench... Guess we should of gotten rid of chris richard and adrian moss cause they didnt average more than 6 points a game
I respectfully completely disagree with you, and I already have posted in several threads concrete data that show that these kids have done very well at other programs. As for someone like Francis, he was the 6th man on a much better team than ours and scored 17 points in a national title game. What is the point of having 13 scholarship players on your team if you don't develop them so you have a strong bench. What you end up with is what we have, which, at least in my opinion, is a bunch of talented players coming off the bench who stink when they are in the game because they haven't been developed.
This is exactly the point that I was making with a lot more brevity.
You are right, and I never said that is the sole motivation why people transfer. I think most are transferring because they want more meaningful minutes either as a starter or 6th or 7th off the bench.
My belief is that to keep the players that are staying on the team committed, White is almost having to guarantee them starting minutes with the exception of Ruzhentsev, Lane and Jitoboh. The starting five will likely be Castleton, Payne, Duruji, Reeves and Appleby. Everyone on that starting team will average double digit points with perhaps the exception of Payne. Our team will be projected to finish behind LSU, Kentucky, Alabama and Tennessee at least. So what transfer wants to come to a 5th best team in a conference to ride the bench again?? If they are going to come here, they have to be getting assurances that they are going to start. That means pushing one of the above to the bench. It won't be Reeves and Castleton. Payne, Duruji and Appleby are all vulnerable if a really solid player for that position commits.
That is why the transfer portal is so problematic and great coaches build from the HS ranks and not through transfers. A HS student is more readily willing to concede that they are not quite ready for prime time, than a transfer who already is unhappy with the way his college career is turning out.
Been posting "locker room" concerns last few weeks.
Current events seem to justify said concern.
Was worried about Lewis, glover and Payne.
Per earlier posts Payne is solid but Lewis still unknown.
Lookin like we may be a very different team in 21/22
What’s curious to me is it seems sometimes we have this vaunted incoming group but they don’t seem to materialize into good players and wins. I know message board fans do this as it seems promising. Like Donavan did, you need a mix of stars, pure athletes, and hard workers. I think Whites teams play hard but something is not quite right with the team makeup. When, I watch the upper half of SEC teams play, I think I would be happy with that group - it is it all coaching?
The Gators are in the upper half of the SEC.
2020-21 SEC Basketball Standings | ESPN
I liked Osifo. Like most of y’all, I’m surprised to see him in the portal. Thought he could’ve developed into a very productive player a few years down the road. Let’s hope we get some quality transfers to replace the scoring, defense and leadership we are losing this year.