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'Operation chaos': How conservatives are working to disrupt the South Carolina Democratic primary

Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gator_fever, Feb 14, 2020 at 1:48 PM.

  1. gator_fever

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    'Operation chaos': How some conservatives are working to disrupt the South Carolina Democratic - CNNPolitics

    "You know I guess you could call it meddling," said Christopher Sullivan, one of the organizers of the Conservative Defense Fund in South Carolina. "I would love to see the Democrats -- whoever wins the South Carolina Democrat primary -- for everybody else to have accused him of having stolen the election because he was actually elected with Republican support and therefore prolonged the chaos and the disruption."

    In South Carolina, Republicans aren't holding their own presidential primary this year. The state's open primary rules allow for eligible voters to cast ballots in the Democratic contest even if they are registered Republicans. That gives GOP voters a chance to play spoiler in the Democratic contest that is shaping up to be a do-or-die moment for former Vice President Joe Biden and his campaign.

    Conservatives in the state have been rallying against the open primary system for years. They say in the past, Democratic voters have cast ballots in GOP primaries and skewed the results of state races to elect more moderate Republicans. Stacy Shea, one of the organizers encouraging GOP voters to turn out and upset the Democratic contest, has collected thick stacks of postcards from Republican voters pledging to support registration by party and "stop canceling out my vote.".....

    "We thought, 'Aha! What would happen if we made a grassroots, state-wide effort to cross over and vote for one candidate in the Democratic primary?' Would that cause enough angst among the Democrats, either elected officials or party members, to maybe come to the table and let's talk about closed primaries?" Karen Martin, a Tea Party organizer in Spartanburg, told CNN.
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    The top Reps calling for this aren't saying it but Bernie is clearly the one people are pushing for Reps there to go vote for in the Democrat primary coming up. There is also going to be a push to do this in some of the fully open primary Super Tuesday states also.
     
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    Yeah, these ideas always end up working as intended lol. Anyways, gonna be fun to re-up this thread when we're swearing in President Sanders in less than a year's time.
     
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  4. gator_fever

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    This will work a lot better than that minor stuff in 08 to keep Hillary in the race longer. They are putting it all over SC to do this to get the primaries closed. My guess would be Bernie gets at least an extra 3% or 4% from this in the vote.

    SC just gives the ballot you request so the numbers may not be known unless they track what ballot the same people had in the last election. I also wonder if pollsters would be able to account for this. They might I guess.
     
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    How very noble of them
     
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    I don't know if it will work or not, I'm just curious as to why you'd want it to work lol. "Be careful what you'd wish for" and all. If there is anything people are bad at, its picking the candidate they think is a sure thing to lose the general election against their guy (or gal).
     
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  7. gator_fever

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    Well I do think many Reps underestimate Bernie but I think the extra votes he pulls in would at least be countered by losing more Independent votes. But Dems thought Trump would be the easiest to beat in 2016 so you never know for sure.
     
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    This is an old tactic, and not really that uncommon. That is why Florida has a closed primary system. Repubs can only vote for repubs in the repub primary, and Dems for the Dems in the Dem primary.
     
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  9. channingcrowderhungry

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    You said "dim!" Oh man. So clever. Truly quality stuff
     
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  10. WarDamnGator

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    So this idea here is republicans are going to vote for Bernie? A guy who is polling better than Trump? LMAO ... Thanks, I guess ...
     
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    The latest polls on RCP have Bernie as the Dem front runner and +8 over Trump head to head .... Republicans are so smart ...
     
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    Yep he is really up by 8 points over Trump.

    I do like SC Reps helping Bernie take on the corrupt establishment however and like POTUS said - its sad how they try and rig things against Bernie.
     
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    Why does any state allow open primaries? That's just dumb all the way around.
     
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    OK .. sounds good. Let’s Teach democrats a lesson by voting for their current favorite ... I bet they are gonna be so pissed.
     
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    Especially fully open primaries. I can kind of see the ones that allow Indies but I would be against that myself.
     
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    Yeah, they forgot that Operation Chaos is supposed to prolong the primary, not help the favorite win earlier.

    I guess they are still waiting on updated talking points from hq updated talking points from HQ.
     
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    I know ... Bernie's been either #1 or #2 for most of the season and doesn't appear to have much baggage ... you'd think they push for someone unpopular like Tulsi or someone like Buttigeig who has some traction but doesn't poll well against Trump ...

    But these are the same people who vote for Trump so I guess thinking things through isn't a strong point with them.
     
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  18. gator_lawyer

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    It would be the funniest of ironies if the conservatives help Bernie win the primary and then we end up with our first socialist President. Once you open that box, you can't close it.
     
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    I guess they think if they make this election a referendum on socialism instead of Trump, they'll have a win. They might well win. But Bernie promising people a bunch of free crap might just resonate with some of the angry whites who make up Trump's base.
     
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    Maybe they are betting on his life expectancy. He might not survive 9 months of campaigning.