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(SB) Ongoing UF Softball Commentary

Discussion in 'GatorGrowl's Diamond Gators' started by ocalaman, Feb 20, 2022.

  1. willum6677

    willum6677 All American

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    UAA has found a new way to spend the money saved on a new coach,by hiring a Grneral Manager for football.

    UAA is on a roll or maybe I should say cycle. They find a need for money, go out and find it by increasing ticket prices, mandatory contributions and concessions and hitting up boosters, then increasing staff positions and salaries justified by the bigger income statement requiring more money——then the cycle starts over!
    Meanwhile, sports like softball have to help pay for these sins by mandated budget cuts.
     
  2. ocalaman

    ocalaman GC Hall of Fame

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    Football is and always has been the engine that drives the athletics train. I understand the frustration, but when the AD continually makes bad hiring choices for our football coach and the UAA is paying millions of dollars for them to go away after 3-4 years, all the other programs suffer. But the fact
    is that all sports are supplemented by the money football brings in. Men's basketball makes a little profit, but the rest of the sports lose money and it takes the football revenue to drive the rest of the athletics budget. Scott Stricklin has been a total bust as AD, IMO, and his horrible football hires have hurt the other programs tremendously.

    With all of that said, I LOVE Gator softball and know that UAA and our AD could put more money into softball than they have been. They don't provide the resources to be able to televise a lot of games that could/should be and they are behind the curve on softball NIL, IMO. Other SEC schools get more exposure than UF softball and that's a shame. But again, that's on our sorry AD Scott Stricklin.
     
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  3. willum6677

    willum6677 All American

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    Softball loses money? That’s up for debate.
    If we only include the revenue from tickets and concessions, the answer is yes. In all the annual reports prepared by UAA. I believe their accounting method fails to include a share of revenue from SEC and NCAA (TV,etc) and some contributions and merchandise sales. To be fair, there at be some expenses not directly allocated like scholarship costs.
    We will never know for sure because they choose to lump all non football and basketball sports into the “Loser” category.
    Softball has a lot (but not enough) of TV exposure including real moneymakers, SEC and NCAA tournaments. Their share alone could make it profitable.
     
  4. mmagator

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    I’ll be there at the USF tournament.

    Go Gators!!
     
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  5. ocalaman

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    Football and Men's basketball are the only sports that make a profit.
    University of Florida Athletics Programs
     
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  6. rickjs1

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    And don't forget our AD recently got an extension on his contract to 2030 and a $250,000 raise. Sheer lunacy.
     
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  7. MCB51

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    It's true..Football is the #1 money generator that funds the other sports, basketball contributes
     
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  8. willum6677

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    Those figures probably came from some document supplied by UAA. And represent what I said in my opening. Yes, softball loses money if we only look at direct income from tickets, etc.
    I believe the UAA methodology reports income from only tickets and concessions and expenses from operations and an allocated amount of overhead from services supplied by the athletic department. I don’t know if they give credit for direct income items such as softball merchandise and contributions direct toward softball. I am fairly certain from the published reports I’ve seen softball gets no credit for TV and other revenue they receive from SEC and NCAA or merchandise sales or contributions not specifying a particular sport.
    From what I have seen, it appears the UAA reports are designed to make all sports except football and basketball look bad.
    But what do I know? I have been wrong before!
     
  9. MCB51

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    I will do some research and let you know
     
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  10. orangeblue77

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    I believe the UAAs only methodology is incompetence unfortunately. Also unfortunate is Stricklin seems quite secure on his perch and won’t be going anywhere soon to the detriment of Gator Nation as a whole. Obviously I wish things were different but alas, here we are. Thankfully our beloved softball is just around the corner!
     
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  11. rickjs1

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    SEC Shorts nails the whole thing:
     
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  12. orangeblue77

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    They usually do
     
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  13. willum6677

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    Thank you. If you can find the UAA budget document you can see how they don’t allocate royalties and other income that amounts to nearly one third of the total income in the 23-24 budget.
     
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  14. MCB51

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    I will take a look
     
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  15. ocalaman

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    I don't think that's correct. I'm pretty sure softball income from all sources is around $1 million per year and the softball budget is around $3 million. That link I posted was not a UF or UAA link. It came from an independent group that compiles data from all university to help people decide what place is the best fit for them. Here's another link that explains more about them. About College Factual
     
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  16. ocalaman

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    Here is the link to the EADA (Equity in Athletics Disclosure Act) report that the US Dept. of Education requires from each university every year. It shows the breakdown by sport of the TOTAL revenue and TOTAL expenses of each program. This is the UF report for the 2024-2025 Academic year. Notice what is included in revenue:
    "Enter all revenues attributable to intercollegiate athletic activities. This includes revenues from appearance guarantees and options, an athletic conference, tournament or bowl games, concessions, contributions from alumni and others, institutional support, program advertising and sales, radio and television, royalties, signage and other sponsorships, sport camps, state or other government support, student activity fees, ticket and luxury box sales, and any other revenues attributable to intercollegiate athletic activities. Report actual numbers, not budgeted or estimated numbers. Please do not round beyond the next dollar.

    And for softball, total revenue for last year was $1,248,683. Total expenses for softball were $4,439,588.

    UAA EADA Report 2024-2025 - Florida Gators
     
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  17. willum6677

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    Check out page 14. There is $59 million in revenue that is not allocated to the sports teams. No SEC. No NCAA. No royalties. No telling what else. Our girls played in many televised games including the very profitable SEC and NCAA tournaments but get no credit.
     
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  18. ocalaman

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    Read my post above which quotes that ALL revenue is included. Royalties, TV and radio appearances ARE specifically listed in the criterion in the paragraph I copied and pasted in Post #13676 above. The FACT is that all sports programs EXCEPT football & men's basketball have net losses and have to be propped up by football revenue. It's been that way forever and is still that way today. Rationalize and/or deny all you want, but you can't change facts. Sorry.
     
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  20. orangeblue77

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    Thanks scrappy, I appreciate your post. Others could learn from you that the vast majority of fans probably don’t love math and certainly not reading endless pages of legal jargon just to prove they are right. I’m excited for softball, Go Gators!

    Im also going to allow myself some hopium on the football side (which drives revenue for all other sports). I’m rooting hard for our new Coach.
     
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