One Big Beautiful Bill on Target for July 4

Not sure about how much they help house value. When I sold my house in 2018 that had a 3.35kw system not one buyer gave a crap about it. I also had solar hot water that made a huge impact like $60/ months on my electric bill. It’s the best ROI in warmer climates.

Granted thoughts may have changed since 2018.

 

All true. Some panels keep their efficiency up even longer as well.

 

One would think that a buyer would be attracted by not having an electric bill. And therefore you can raise the asking price.

 

EU also has a higher tax on gas which also makes them more fuel efficient . meanwhile we just keep adding to our debt.

 

Tillis has already indicated that he won't be running for reelection.
Sen. Thom Tillis announces he’s not seeking reelection, a day after voting against Trump’s agenda bill

As far as Murkowski is concerned if she is voting yes it's probably based on the pro fossil fuels provisions in the bill considering that Alaska is probably the most state most dependent on petroleum extraction and that includes Texas, Oklahoma and North Dakota.

 

Interesting when congressmen are not running for another term they vote their conscience.

“I look forward to having the pure freedom to call the balls and strikes”

 

I think more and more people are embracing the idea of solar. I thought about it on the last home but was told installation on a barrel tile roof was not a good idea. We’ll consider on the new place.

 

Hard to believe that this is America. Shameful.

(from the NYT)

 

Did you pay full price for your panels or did you get a big discount or tax break to put them in? I don't spend more than 3k a year on my electric. If it cost me $30,000. to put solar in it would take me 10 years if it cancelled my entire electric bill. I do have a gas stove and one gas water heater but I also have one electric water heater, a hot tub and a pool. Also when you say 8 years to pay for it did you include the 30% tax rebate or whatever you got off the real cost.

 

The tax cuts for the majority will be hardly noticeable, and certainly not worth the debt they create..

And nobody has been able to tell us why high income earners need more tax cuts.

 

The Government is not subsidizing solar panels the tax payers are.

 

And thanks to the bbillsoon we will be subsidizing whale captains too

 

Because since Reagan we've been told that trickle down works. It hasn't worked yet but that's only because we haven't given it enough time

 

I am basically off the grid. I put it in because my wife wanted it, not for the small tax break. I also knew when I put it in I would not see a ROI, but it mattered little. I made sure we had plenty of panels and 3 batteries.

 

I paid $16k after a $6K tax credit. I have a gas furnace and water heater. The company that did the work sized it to meet 100% of my electricity need. 8 years to pay off is based on the $16K and does not include the SREC. I should get a couple hundred back a year so that could bring it down to 7.5 years. I've only had the panels since mid January. So far have saved $1k.

 

Maybe, but China is the world leader in renewable energy and this bill moves us in the wrong direction

 

Agree. China is oriented (pun somewhat intended) towards the future while Trump and his MAGA movement are almost by definition aiming to turn the clock back to an idealized American past that probably didn't really exist.

 

Tillis just doesn’t give to whatever’s anymore. Forget the Spanish part, just listen to his speech. The fact that the republicans are going through with this is insanity.

 

You typically will not eliminate the entire electric bill, unless you take yourself off the grid, which may not be practical. You still pay some amount to be connected to the grid (here, $27/mo). And you want production to be less than your full usage, unless you have a lot of battery storage, because net metering (in a state like Florida) means that you start with a clean slate every January 1st. The electric company never sends you money. And because of the Jan. 1 reset, you may still pay a nearly full electric bill for January, which can be an expensive month with little electricity generation (due to shorter days and less direct sunlight). You may break even in February, if it's not too cold. Starting around March, you can build credit with the electric company that you spend late in the year when there is less sunlight. If you have batteries, you could save electricity in them late in the year, and use that electricity to offset the January electric bill. It's probably only effective if you also have gas heating for the house, or you live so far south that you don't get weather near freezing.