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Ocasio-Cortez Actively Pushing Democrat Party Further Left

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by madgator, Jul 11, 2018.

  1. homer

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    I like a slightly balanced Court with the swing vote being conservative or centered. If we have to go hard either way I prefer it to be conservative.
     
  2. homer

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    I think this is where the US will eventually go as the older generations like myself die off.
     
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  3. Gatorrick22

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    Denmark is a a Capitalist society with welfare-centric policies. It is not a socialist country where the government owns most of everything. Did you know that the Nazis considered themselves socialists too? Just picked that up on the History/Discovery/Learning channel... one of these channels.
     
  4. wgbgator

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    For once rick has a decent point. She's a nominee for congress in a very blue district in a blue state, anyone putting her up as the face of the national party has an agenda of sorts (right or left). Perhaps one day she will be (god willing, and she does seem to be a uniquely talented politician), but for now, not so much. And the Dems were moving left well before she won her primary.
     
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    o_O
     
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  6. wgbgator

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    Did you know that some American socialists used to call themselves "nationalists?" Edward Bellamy:

    I guess the point is that "nationalist" and "socialist" have been used more as sales pitches than accurate descriptors of policy programs.
     
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  7. GatorRade

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    No, they are all terrible. I thought that was your point, to pick the worst example possible.
     
  8. Gatorrick22

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    I'm more of a Populist/Pub... Constitutionalist/Pub. Nationalists sounds kind of fascist.
     
  9. wgbgator

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    The use of "nationalist" didn't have those connotations in Bellamy's day, which was prior to WWI and the rise of fascism.
     
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  10. GatorRade

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    Understood.

    Kind of a weird system. (The Supreme Court, not you)
     
  11. grumpygator77

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    Funny how trump fans all think the Dems have a snowball's chance in hell of winning anything.
    Yet trump is in the White House-- with his snowball's chance in hell in getting there.
     
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  12. gator_lawyer

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    I think this has no real affect on the Dems taking back the house. The far-left candidates will win seats in blue states and moderate candidates will compete in purple and red states. The Republicans weren't losing because of the Tea Party. The only major issue caused by the Tea Party was once they were in office, they made it hard for Republicans to get things done at times.
     
  13. homer

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    I’m not one of those fans so not all think that way.

    I would consider voting for a democrat if they were centered enough.

    I’m only as far right as I am now due to being concerned with the far left more than the far right.

    Condi Rice would be my pick to get us back on track as a unified nation.

    This country needs compromise.
     
  14. gator_lawyer

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    I keep laughing at the people who think that the rust belt and mid-west will hate the Bernie Wing candidates. The blue collar workers in the rust belt were a much stronger base for Bernie than Hillary. They did not like the establishment, corporatist centrist (Hillary). Many of you are making major miscalculations here. Bernie's message and proposed policies really resonated with blue collar workers.
     
  15. homer

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    If that’s true the primary numbers would support it,,,
    Right?
     
  16. gator_lawyer

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    Hillary was terrible, but she was also a centrist.
     
  17. grumpygator77

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    I agree. But unfortunately the "compromise" went out the window with the Republicans absolute refusal to work with the previous President on anything. Absolutely anything.
    I distinctly remember Obama offering for every $1 of spending $2 in tax cuts to the Republicans and they flatly denied. I also remember how Republicans absolutely refused to hold any hearings on any of Obama's Supreme Court picks-- including Merrick Garland, a guy they, the Republicans, supported previously.

    That type of behavior, IMO, has pushed the left to new extremes in realizing that they are dealing with a party that wears their divisiveness as a badge of honor. I'm not a big fan of "they started it" but in reality it bears the fruits of what we have now. The right and the republicans are not showing that they have any problem with that.

    I truly believe the Republican Party knows that they cannot survive on rational thinking voters. Instead they continue to appease their rabid base with the ideas they know will keep them stoked all the while enacting legislation that benefits only the rich, the powerful, and themselves. Whether that can continue to win them elections remains to be seen. The Dems continue to support the working class and the Pubs continue to support the rich. There's certainly more working folks than there are millionaires in this country.

    Sadly I don't see this as a situation that is resolvable with compromise since one side has continually demonstrated that they simply will not-- on anything.
     
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  18. gator_lawyer

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    The numbers did show it. See, e.g.,
    Bernie Sanders Draws Blue-Collar Workers in Iowa

    Hillary was strong with establishment Dems and black people. Bernie was strong with blue collar workers. That's what allowed him to pull off a huge upset in Michigan and win Wisconsin. It's hilarious that so many of ya'll think Bernie's anti-trade deal, anti-corporate elite, and pro-worker messages are going to hurt the Dems with blue collar workers. If Sanders was the Dem nominee, he beats Trump because he wins the rust belt.
     
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  19. dangolegators

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    Right. It's no different than right wing extremists winning House seats in deep red districts throughout the south. Except there are a lot more right wing extremists in the House than there are left wing socialists.
     
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