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NCAA has issued a two-year suspension for LSU DB

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by Diesel350z, Mar 12, 2018.

  1. Diesel350z

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  2. paidinfull

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    How'd they keep that secret?
     
  3. GatorSean

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    I wonder how he tampered with his sample, and how the NCAA found out?
     
  4. G. Gordon Gator

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    The two year suspension seems kind of bogus to me, because they're basically punishing him twice for the same offense.

    You can be suspended for a year for giving a fraudulent sample, and you can be suspended for a year for failing to give any sample at all. They are suspending him for two years because they're saying that by giving a fraudulent sample, he effectively failed to give a sample, so they are counting that as two violations instead of one.

    From the OP article:
    Seems to me they are double-dipping on the punishment there. It would be kind of like if you submitted a fraudulent tax return, so the IRS rejected it for being fraudulent, and then fined you for submitting a fraudulent return AND fined you again for failing to file your taxes, since the fraudulent return was rejected.
     
  5. NOLAGATOR

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    Was it for grass?

    I agree with if it were performance enhancing but not grass.

    But Gordo, NCAA means BOGUS nothing they do shocks me any more.
     
  6. GatorToTheEnd

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    That's the point, no one knows what he was trying to hide since he submitted a fraudulent sample so he is getting the maximum penalty. I do agree that the double dipping is probably overboard.
     
  7. G. Gordon Gator

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    Agreed. @NOLAGATOR, I don't know what they were testing him for -- probably everything, PED's as well as recreational drugs -- but what he got gigged for was doing something to the sample to make it unreadable.

    Just wildly speculating here, but what he probably did was the oldest and most reliable method in the book for beating a urinalysis test -- you water it down. It's as simple as flushing your system out by drinking as much water as you can hold, then peeing once or twice, then drinking more water before finally peeing in the sample bottle. The urine won't have been in your system long enough to pick up traces of the contaminants they're looking to find.

    The problem is, if they're using one of the more advanced and expensive testing systems, it will be able to tell that the urine has been watered down to an unnatural level, and will identify it as a "fraudulent" sample.
     
  8. G. Gordon Gator

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    There's more details on the story in this longer article here.

    Turns out he received a two-year suspension over a year ago, so he has served one season of it already, and they are appealing the second season. He has reportedly been tested again over two dozen times since submitting the "fraudulent" sample in 2016, and has passed every time. Based on that, I say let him go ahead and play.
     
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    He would have been better off taking 300K from a booster or raping a woman and having the Tallahassee police department help you cover it up.
     
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  10. jeffbrig

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    Actually, the IRS would do exactly that, penalties and interest for non-payment would likely be assessed.
     
  11. The_Graygator

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    They should allow him to play immediately... as long as he transfers to West Virginia.
     
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    It’s an automatic two year suspension at least according to the rules

    And if they get time cut off the penalty it will take 3 to 6 months to do it and miss the season anyhow

    And to think we almost got him