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My whole town practically lived there’: From Costa Rica to New Jersey, a pipeline of illegal workers

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by VAg8r1, Feb 11, 2019.

  1. VAg8r1

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    The title says it all and contrary to what Trump has said regarding the hiring of illegals at his properties, it's much more than just a small number of undocumented workers getting past screening, it's a systemic practice that goes back years.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e59fbae7960_story.html?utm_term=.1aa056ed093f

    A big part of Trump's anti-illegal immigration shtick has been that illegals are stealing jobs from Americans. Turns out that Trump while claiming that a wall would be part of the solution has been part of the problem himself going back many years.
     
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  2. WarDamnGator

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    If people like Trump would stop hiring illegals, they'd stop coming here. But instead, law enforcement tries to pick them off illegals one-by-one instead of going after the root of the problem.

    It's like the DEA ... they could spend a fortune going after millions of individual drug users, to cut off the demand, or they could try to cut off the supply by going after the cartel bosses and smuggling operations ... which one do they choose?

    It would be much easier and I'd think effective to give mandatory jail time to people like Trump who hire them. I think it would have a much greater impact than deporting them one-by-one, when there is always one more willing to take their place, when their job opens up.
     
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  3. duchen

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    Classic con man. Saying one thing while doing another. Nothing here about cleverly taking advantage of the laws like he claimed with his so called strategic bankruptcies. Just outright lawbreaking. Of course, he will probably deny any knowledge of these illegal businesses practices, the base will believe him, and they will go around thinking that Trump really is their xenophobe who cares about keeping out illegals. Just remember the Alabama experience when it decided to crack down on illegals. Even “Legal’s” didn’t show up to pick crops.
     
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  4. AzCatFan

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    If we crack down on businesses hiring illegals, we sabotage our own economy. You are correct about Alabama's experience.

    Within a year, between 40,000 and 80,000 Latinos had bolted the state, according to a study by the University of Alabama's Center for Business and Economic Research, costing the state up to $10.8 billion in lost income and tax revenues.
    The answer is and has been for years a Gang of 8 style plan that right sizes immigrant labor supply with demand. Everything else is a waste of resources and a plan that will hurt more than it helps.
     
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  5. gator7_5

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    If true, the corporation should face major fines and all the illegals should be deported. Repeated offenses should come with major repercussions.
     
  6. OaktownGator

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    We happily jail the people coming here to work.

    Shouldn't the person in charge of hiring those people also be jailed?
     
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  7. gator7_5

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    Not in my option. And I say this as someone who competes with those who take advantage of illegal labor.
     
  8. OaktownGator

    OaktownGator Guardian of the GC Galaxy Moderator VIP Member

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    So jail the powerless, but refuse to jail the ones in power.

    That's justice?
     
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  9. gator7_5

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    No, deport those who are coming into the county illegally and fine those who hire them with stricter punishments for repeat offenders. That clear enough for you to comprehend?
     
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  10. OaktownGator

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    It is clear what you are proposing. Just not clear at all as to how that is justice.

    How about we issue visas to workers?

    Problem solved.
     
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  11. gator7_5

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    Guess I'm just concerned about justice for Americans. Shouldn't be a jailable offense, imo.
     
  12. OaktownGator

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    People would not be coming here unless Americans were hiring them.

    Americans who know full well they are hiring undocumented workers and do it anyway.

    Like Donald Trump hiring large numbers of undocumented workers... the same people he happily calls drug dealers, rapists and murderers while he's on the campaign trail.
     
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  13. gator7_5

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    Ok, so after repeat offenses, take away their business licenses. Sorry, you can't tug on my heart strings and get me to believe corporate America is evil and illegal aliens are helpless angles. Won't fly. You can feel free to view the situation however you like. You'll notice I'm not berating you or trying to convince you otherwise.
     
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  14. fastsix

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    It's obvious that trump doesn't really give a damn about illegal immigrants working in this country. If he did, he wouldn't be hiring them for his properties. But it's a wedge issue that plays well with the low information voters that make up a good part of his base. Fox News or the National Enquirer will never report this story, so they'll never know. The rest of his base, the part that knows better, will just overlook it. They'll give trump a pass and pretend it never happened like they do with every other ethical and moral line of their's that he crosses.

    I can actually understand the low information part of his base more than those that should know better. It's one thing to act against your interests or beliefs because you don't keep informed, it's another to willfully support a man who does things which you claim to be wrong and would not do yourself.
     
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    Yep, just more trump hypocrisy, but his base doesn't care. It was well known he had employed illegals during the election and yet......
     
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    and stiffed and cheated subcontractors, ran a scam charity that was forced to shut down, ran a scam for profit "university" that was forced to shut down, was guilty of racially biased business practices, never divested his business interests when elected, went bankrupt 4 times, got financed by Russian mobsters, was taped bragging about grabbing women by the hoo-hah, caught in bald-faced lie after bald-faced lie 8,000+ times, mocked an American war hero and a handicapped reporter and a gold-star family, complimented white nationalists, attacks and threatens our allies , sided with hostile foreign governments against our allies and our intelligence services, claimed the free press was the enemy of the people, claimed the FBI, DOJ and the Special Counsel, were corrupt, hired a traitor to an important campaign position, ignored good advice and hired a compromised National Security Director, whose personal lawyer as well as a personal friend violated campaign finance laws at his request, has lead a debauched personal life, had cabinet secretaries run out of office for unethical/illegal activities and yet..................
     
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  17. gatorknights

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    I don't care what he says, I just like what he does. Name ONE thing he did that was bad, just one! But...but...but...(fill in the blank with your favorite libbie)... :D:D
     
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  18. VAg8r1

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    Fines against corporations that can be written off as a cost of doing business are not effective deterrents. Personal financial liability and the possibility of incarceration for those individuals directly or indirectly responsible for making hiring decisions would be much more effective. In the case of the Trump organization, its hiring of illegals wasn't the result of negligence, those individuals responsible for the hiring decisions had direct knowledge that they were hiring illegals and on occasion helped their undocumented employees obtain fraudulent documents. As @AzCatFan pointed out numerous times, the real long-term solution is to make it easier for noncitizens to obtain temporary work permits so that they can fill jobs when there aren't sufficient citizen or legal immigrant applicants. Until such time as the law is changed, it should be vigorously enforced against employers including the possibility of incarceration for individuals who knowingly violate of the law. It's been said that the most effective way to change a bad law is to vigorously enforce it. Actually punishing employers would a good start.
     
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  19. gator7_5

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    Why would you reply without acknowledging the first sentence of my post? You ever try to run a business without a license?

    And if any of you were really worried about the victim (the American worker, right?) you would not be for work visas. All of that money goes back to their home countries.
     
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  20. OklahomaGator

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    Fines can not be written off.

    are federal government fines tax deductible - Google Search
     
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