Murders by Trump supporters (alleged)

Yep, it can happen anywhere and any time. That said we go on living our lives hoping it isn't the _________ we happen to be in when it happens.

 

The current POTUS is a child, un-presidential , and embarrassing.

But to say there is only one side is comical.

Hillary told a big part of the country they were deplorables and then called the election that she lost because of them, illegitimate. Long before Jan 6 you had a candidate claiming an election was unfairly taken from her. She called some voters "non Americans" and "irredeemable".

So basically she drew a line between the deplorable election thieves and her side...Shots fired.

Or what about Barack Obama's assertion in 2008 that people in small towns are "bitter" and "cling to guns or religion?..shots fired.

.Perhaps neither is a declaration of war, but a definite elevation in temperature and they were definitely contributing shots to the war.

Trump, as children do, took it to the next level by outright fighting results.

These were BOTH huge turning points in the temperature. The left won't admit it. They will make excuses and justify it.

But the "war" within does sadly exist. Trump is certainly doing NOTHING to try and end it, but he also didn't really start it.

Truth is, it was probably more ratings media driven than populace driven, but the left is without a doubt a party in this.

NPR said as much in this 2016 article:
https://www.npr.org/2016/09/10/4934...orables-in-full-context-of-this-ugly-campaign

 

There is only one side now. The adult perspective is that looking back to assign blame can change little. Clintons, Obama, Biden- though not really mentioned much- are all in the past. All the turning up of temperature goes to one pathetic individual at this time and my money says his game is to actually make it purposely worse. Hope that I'm incorrect.

 

Nonsense. You can't absolve Hillary, Obama and Biden just because they are not the ones currently in power. Their words still Cary weight and hit very hard when they were said.

So while yes. I think the current child in chief is a huge problem and should 100% lead in toning down the rhetoric, it is also ignorant to ignore the impact of the elitist shot firing by Hillary and President Obama. They said nasty things about people they sought to lead.

Those are very much shots in this "war".

 

Frankly to dig so deeply into a single side, almost proves we have a "war" of sorts. Hyperbolic terminology aside. It is an us against them mentality. Call it what you want.

So while I have repeatedly condemned Trump for not calling for peace and unity as a leader should, I'm not going to give the strokers of the flames from the left a free pass just because they are not currently in power.

 

You will give a pass to other "strokers of the flames" from the right though. See, for example, Charlie Kirk, who undoubtedly was somebody profiting on the flames. Or politicians like Desantis.

 

If your stance is the failed "eye for an eye" approach, then you have no way forward - how long did N. Ireland struggles with that approach?. It is childish, and not productive to dwell on a decade old statement/s to fan divisive flames when we are subjected to unfounded vitriol daily by this WH. Please note I don't approve of or condone those "old" statements and my interest in this discussion is not absolution in any way. This country is in trouble and directing blame at people no longer in a position to fix it is nonproductive.

 

Ok. We probably agree. My point is there are people saying this started with Trump or Republicans. That simply is not true.

But I have been clear that the current POTUS is doing nothing to tone down the rhetoric and it is his job currently to do so.

 

I did not give anyone a "pass". I'm not the one choosing either side. It's silly to say that the guy saying both sides are guilty is choosing a side.

Really silly.

As for Kirk, it takes a hefty twisting of his words to come to the conclusion that he had disdain for the quantity of people that Obama and Hillary stated that they did.

Oh...and Kirk was just a citizen. Not the leader (or attempted leader) or the free world.

 

Who did it start with?

 

Adams Vs Jefferson? They were pretty dirty back then.

Regardless Obama ripping on small town America was before Trump.

As long as we have a media that gets wealthy off of the war, they will fan the flames to keep it waging.

 

No Dem president has ever come close to Trump with regards to hateful rhetoric directed at the other side. Pretty sure you know that yet you continue with the bothsidesism.

 

Sure, I'm sure he felt great respect for the "woke mobs" or whatever he called them in his video titles.

It is interesting how you said you aren't giving anyone a pass...then immediately gave Kirk (a member of "the media" that profited on the flames that you generally blamed) a pass.

 

Pretty sure I made no such claim. I only claimed he didn't start this "war". Why do you continue to misrepresent my words?

 

Oh no. He said woke mobs. The horror.
And yes. I 100% believe the Kirk's of the world are guilty of firing shots in this war.

 

Oh no, she said some people are deplorable. The horror.

See, how hard was not giving him a pass for once?

 

I misrepresented nothing.

 

1. She was talking about the people who she was trying to lead as their president.
2. I have called Kirk's words out on a couple of occasions in the Kirk thread.

I can both call out certain comments and defend him over all.

 

i never said that a "Dem president has ever come close to Trump with regards to hateful rhetoric directed at the other side.".

As typical from you, you have to embellish my words to try and make a point. I said others took shots before Trump. That is undeniable.

 

fake pic but why would I expect anything less from yoiu