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Minneapolis Cuts Police Budget, Almost Becomes Safer

Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by chemgator, Jul 27, 2020.

  1. stingbb

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    Yes, crime does normally increase in the summer months but you have to be living under a rock not to realize crime has increased at an extremely high rate since since the end of May. In NYC alone, murders were up 39-30 over June, 2019, shootings were up a whopping 130% (205 vs 89) and burglaries were also up 118%. In Chicago, murders were up this past June by 78% (89 vs 50) compared to the same month in 2019. Nationally, shootings were reported to be up nearly 75% from June numbers last year.

    It is important to note that for the first five months, violent crimes were down overall from last year which again follows a national trend since 1991 (the only years the rate actually increased during this period was in 2015 and 2016) and has definitely spiked since the protests began. It is also kind of ironic that according to many, our police departments are doing a poor job when in fact, except for the last two years of the Obama/Biden administration, violent crime rates steadily dropped each year over the last three decades.
     
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  2. LouisvilleGator

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    Neither here nor there. If you're truly concerned for black lives, there's a very easy way to end pretty much all of it overnight.
     
  3. jhenderson251

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    On the contrary, it's both here and there. You implied that multiple unarmed Black people would not have been murdered by cops if they hadn't resisted arrest or tried to run. You're victim blaming.

    Should I be led to believe that you also think rape victims could easily "end pretty much all of it overnight" by not dressing provocatively?
     
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  4. gator_lawyer

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    And that's the apples to apples comparison. I appreciate the numbers. Would love more context based on the past 5 years. But it would be unreasonable to ask you to find that data.

    As for our police departments, attributing the decrease in violent crime to their performance seems like a very questionable conclusion. Are you saying that police are performing worse right now?
     
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  5. metalcoater

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    Maybe the government should not be investing in anything. They have know idea about starting a business.
     
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  6. gator_lawyer

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    The government wouldn't be starting the businesses. It would be providing capital.
     
  7. G8trGr8t

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    Could it possibly be due to the unemployment caused by our pitiful response to covid and how it continues to wreck our economy while the ship is still without a qualified captain?
     
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  8. G8trGr8t

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    Or running one efficiently either
     
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  9. metalcoater

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    Oh now our Government is into venture capital. They should put AOC in charge of where the money goes.
     
  10. chemgator

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    They would still be picking winners and losers, as not every company or idea would be funded. What we saw under previous administrations is that people with connections to the White House or Congressmen get to feed first at the trough, and everyone lines up behind them. Do you really want Jared Kushner's business ideas for Minneapolis to get funded? What would that be--investment services for the extremely wealthy?
     
  11. chemgator

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    For a second there, I thought you had misspelled "efficient toilet". :)
     
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  12. mutz87

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    Here's some more context. Below table shows the difference in violence in the 64 days pre and post George Floyd murder in Minneapolis. Although violence consistently increased across the two periods each year from 2008-2020, it's def a significantly larger spike in 2020. One curious note is that 2019 also had pretty large spikes for robbery, agg assault and total violence relative to earlier years.

    As for police effect on crime, it is a mixed bag. In some limited and specifically targeted ways (crime type, smaller geographic areas etc.), some studies have produced significant effects. For instance, hot spots policing. But the size of those effects have tended toward being modest to small. Generally, crime varies regardless of what police do, making it too easy to overstate police effects, good or bad.

    Then again, in Minneapolis' situation, the George Floyd murder seems to have caused the crime increase. So in a sense, I think we could attribute what Chauvin did--i.e. what the police did--as a cause of the spike in violence.

    Minn Crime Difference Pre-Post GF Murder.JPG
     
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  13. gator_lawyer

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    Now? What makes you think this is new?

    Well, you can set parameters for the programs in order to qualify. In that vein, I don't have an issue with it. Elections have consequences.
     
  14. metalcoater

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    Did not say it was new, just misguided.
     
  15. 92gator

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    Over 200 MPLS PD have submitted requests for early GTFO leave (retirement).

    Mayhaps that has a little sum sum to do with it too.
     
  16. 92gator

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    The MPLS plan: Arm HOA's with military grade weaponry!

    (they just haven't realized that's the trajectory of their grand plan).

    :D:p:D
     
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  17. gator_lawyer

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    I disagree entirely.
     
  18. 92gator

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    With what?
     
  19. gatorknights

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    I'm guessing mine already has an arsenal. :D:D
     
  20. snowflake

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    So the MN police do something horrific to a Black person, the community responds by increasing Black-on-Black violence, and that makes sense to you how?

    Bottom line is, the Black community needs to be more accountable for its self-destructive actions. Change will not come from defunding or reforming the police nor from reparations. These are merely red herrings. Change must come from within.

    Political correctness is hindering progress in Black communities. No one wants to tell them the message they so desparately need to hear.