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Mike Pence doesn't have a good record when it comes to outbreaks

Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by WarDamnGator, Feb 27, 2020.

  1. AzCatFan

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    So instead of paying for ounces of HIV prevention, we end up paying for pounds and pounds and pounds of HIV cure. How is this better for you and me as the taxpayer?

    Ideally, it would be great for people not to engage in high risk activity. But that's not going to happen in the real world. You can also argue we shouldn't pay for any indigent medicare care either, because that's the only option where paying for the needles is less expensive than paying for the care of HIV patients. But even this comes at a cost, including turning people away for needed medical care because of their inability to pay. And how is this the moral decision?

    I'm not trying to outsmart anything. I'm trying to be pragmatic. You don't seem to understand the difference.
     
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  2. cluckugator

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    @LouisvilleGator Are you tapping out or do have a comeback on the economic or moral side? Feel like The Rock after a body slam, but are you going to try to defend the morality of your proposal or economics of it?

    I usually don’t get so heated on too hot, but defend your statement or just admit you are wrong. Pence did it. You have yet to make one moral or economical argument one poster has agreed with.

    One penny to save one kid from a drunk driver? Your answer is no, let the kid die?
     
  3. cluckugator

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    We are yelling at a brick wall, but the answer is obvious. Doubt anyone except one poster disagrees.
     
  4. rivergator

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  5. anstro76

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    He'll just send the patients to Virus Conversion Camp.
    Pray it away.
     
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  6. LouisvilleGator

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    Yes, it's very telling that you'd "get so heated" over someone posting truth. Mike Pence didn't cause any outbreak of HIV. He is not responsible for people making very bad life choices and engaging in high risk behavior. Nor is John Q Taxpayer. Your hatred of all things Trump blinds you to this very simple fact.

    Pence's management of Covid-19 remains to be seen, but if people with Covid-19 go against doctor's orders and make really bad life choices, it won't be Pence's fault then either.
     
  7. cluckugator

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    I get heated because you aren’t posting the truth. John Q. Taxpayer is paying much more for the fact unrelated individuals are using intervenious drugs and getting HIV. It’s called Medicaid.

    It’s not Pence’s “fault” those people got AIDS, but he implemented a stupid policy that you are the only one defending. Pence did an about face and reversed the policy because it is common sense. He issued an Executive Order to reinstate the needle exchange program two days after praying on the matter.

    So you are disagreeing with Trump’s number #2 on the needle policy. Myself and the rest of the board now agree with Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence’s current thoughts (after reflection and prayer).

    Glad to see you can disagree with Trump’s main advisor even though the rest of the world disagrees with you.
     
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  8. WarDamnGator

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    Whether you like it or not, decisions that politicians make have an affect on people. You are essentially arguing that Mike Pence has no blame for a HIV outbreak in his state, while he was governor, that was a direct result of a poor decision he made.
     
  9. nolancarey

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    Because it's close to Louisville?
     
  10. nolancarey

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    People used to rail against the evils of tea when it was introduced to Europe. We later decided we liked it and then dumped a bunch of it in our harbor and turned it into a rallying cry. Yeah, we were kind of founded on these principles.
     
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    Heroin addicts are not exactly known for being desirable sexual partners.
     
  12. nolancarey

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    I mean, I didn't really want to contribute to the bailout of the big banks and auto manufacturers for their poor choices.
     
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  13. GatorNorth

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    Using the phrases "Mike Pence" and "science" in the same sentence is erroneous without inserting the modifier "doesn't believe in" between them.
     
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  14. Gator515151

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    Coming from the folks that don't believe the scientific fact that a fetus feels pain.
     
  15. LouisvilleGator

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    Me either. One could make the argument that the bailouts made the taxpayer money in the end. The fallacy was in the thinking that it was our only choice.
     
  16. LouisvilleGator

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    Reading comprehension will help you.
     
  17. LouisvilleGator

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    Wow, you must have really strained hard on this one, still editing it 19 minutes later. I'm flattered. I mean that. Now that I'm living rent free inside your head, thank you for admitting it was not Mike Pence's fault those people contracted HIV. That is, after all, what the impetus of the thread was. This board has a nasty habit of regurgitating Huff Post and Vanity Fair articles, as if they were original ideas.
     
  18. mdgator05

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    Still swinging at that strawman, I see. Again, nobody said he caused the outbreak. His policy decisions made the outbreak worse. So congratulations, you really got that strawman, but how about dealing with arguments that people are actually proposing.
     
  19. nolancarey

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    Hey, I have Master of Letters degree not a Master of Sentence Structure degree.

    In related news, jokes are things that exist.