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Mike Pence doesn't have a good record when it comes to outbreaks

Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by WarDamnGator, Feb 27, 2020.

  1. WarDamnGator

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    Before people think this is a hit piece written in response to him being named Coronavirus Czar, I'd point out this was written in 2016. Pence cut health care funding and ended a needle exchange program, leading to the worst HIV outbreak in state history. His initial course of action after the outbreak had started, and eventually partially restoring the needle exchange program, was to pray on it.


    Mike Pence's Defining Moment As Governor? Enabling An HIV Outbreak
     
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    That was different. AIDS was a plague sent as Divine retribution, don’t you know?
     
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  3. WarDamnGator

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    My wife thinks this is Trump's move to take heat off himself and eventually drop Pense. Blame him if this gets bad, then replace him as his running mate in 2020 ... probably with Kushner.
     
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    Has Pat Robertson chimed in yet stating the coronavirus is punishment for making gay wedding cakes?
     
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    Pray the pandemic away.
     
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  6. WarDamnGator

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    There really is a tweet for everything...

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  7. LouisvilleGator

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    The liberal logic never gets old. It's not the fault of the people shooting up drugs. It's the governor's for not subsidizing their addiction.
     
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    Perhaps Trump decided to follow Obama's example on this one... it worked out okay with Ebola...
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    If you want to make this about dollars, instead of lives, I'm sure the needle exchange program was a small cost compared to the cost of the 20 new HIV cases a week the state was having to deal with at the height of Pence's self created disaster. If you disagree, then explain why Pence eventually went back to the needle exchange program?
     
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  10. LouisvilleGator

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    Give me a break. There is certainly a moral argument to be made against the needle exchange program. The cost is not the issue. It's the idea that you're enabling an addict. Plenty of people have qualms with that morally and they are not wrong to have such qualms. Either way, in the end, it's the addict's fault for participating in high risk behaviors, not Mike Pence's.
     
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    Why did this only happen in one small county bordering on Kentucky? The county health department was unable to do anything as regards the outbreak?
     
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    I would argue that it's morally wrong to put already broken people into a situation where they are more likely to get sick and die.
     
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    Drug abuse is a moral failing. Unless, of course, it is opioids, which hit rural white areas harder. Then, it is a public health emergency in which we have to actually give the addict alternative drugs.
     
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    Maybe there would not have been such a spike in HIV if the government hadn't been supplying needles to all the addicts, which helped exactly NO ONE beat their addiction. And you cannot legislate people out of doing self-harm.
     
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    You have it completely backwards. The spike in HIV happened after Pence stopped allowing addicts to turn in their used needles for clean ones. He also cut funding to reproductive health clinics. It was a problem that Pence created, and the HIV outbreak in Indiana subsided after Pence prayed ... oh, and then went back to allowing the needle exchange program.
     
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    Actually, he expanded the program late in his time there...after it hit a rural, primarily white county hard due to opioid abuse.
     
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  17. mdgator05

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    Well, that claim is certainly one that can be studied:

    Drug abuse treatment success among needle exchange participants.
    Readiness for Cessation of Drug Use Among Recent Attenders... : JAIDS Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes

    Basically, the data show that both groups have very similar rates of positive treatment outcomes and intentions, despite the fact that self-selected NEP participants would naturally have a lower baseline, due to heavier dependence on drugs and a variety of other more severe drug-related factors. So, it seems like this may not be true.
     
  18. tampagtr

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    Shades of Margaret Heckler's infamous slip of the tongue - "“We must conquer AIDS before it affects the heterosexual population and the general population,” said President Ronald Reagan’s health and human services secretary, Margaret Heckler, in 1985."

    In fairness, Heckler was hero within the Administration on the issue, but far darker forces controlled the agenda. In any event, you see the same mindset about indifference to the effects of a disease until it affects those you can identify with or who support you.
     
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    The reality is that there would have been much less of a spread of HIV if addicts had access to clean needles rather than sharing needles which may have been previously used by infected addicts. And if you're really concerned about addicts beating their addiction I assume that you would support government-subsidized treatment, including residential treatment to treat addiction? My guess is that your answer would be negative but I could be mistaken.
     
  20. LouisvilleGator

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    The point flew way over your head, unsurprisingly so. If the government hadn't been helping people shoot up drugs to begin with, perhaps there would not been as many people addicted at the time Pence did away with the program, hence not as crazy a spike in HIV. Either way, you're never going to convince me it is anyone else's fault, other than the user's in this case, for someone engaging in high risk activity. It is not incumbent upon John Q Taxpayer to buy a heroin addict needles to supply their addiction.