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Miami DC explains Napier's offense

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  1. RealGatorFan

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  2. gatorfan828

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    If you watch the GNFP film review for the offense, it actually is not as bad as it seems. While yes it ultimately falls on the coach, we just laid an egg at every opportunity we had against Miami. We had some open throws downfield that were just missed my Mertz. If we hit even one of those post routes, the game looks different

    HOWEVER.... I do hate that we are not creative or using our tendencies as deception and trying to add wrinkles into the scheme. BN offense only works as long as everyone wins their 1-1s, and the QB makes a perfect read. Problem is that is is rarely achievable when the other team knows what you are going to run.
     
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  3. The_RH_Factor

    The_RH_Factor GC Hall of Fame

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    It’s good to find this out now rather than the end of the season.

    I understand Lombardi’s Packers only ran about 30 plays so they should have been easy to prepare for, too.

    It gets down to blocking and tackling.
     
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  4. archigator_96

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    I mean I suppose the veer could work every time with 2 or 3 plays if you had the best players at every position. Well, we don't. So you have to be creative to work around your weaknesses rather than stick to the "process".
     
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  5. maxgator

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    That is such a nothing statement. Most of the time the defense knows what the offense is going to do... The issue is stopping it. Everyone knew what SOS was going to do, everyone knew what 99s Nebraska was going to do, they just couldn't stop it.

    Id guess that most of the time the other team knows what an offense is going to do. When we execute what we do, we have been effective. We didn't execute well, in large part due to Miami's defense but also internally.
     
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  6. allhailmeyer

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    I've never heard a DC say this about another team.
     
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  7. maxgator

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    You've never heard... "We knew exactly what they were going to do, we just couldn't stop it."
     
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  8. ETGator

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    . . . and playing disciplined defense, especially.
     
  9. G8R92

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    Oh boy. Samford's been tipped off.
     
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  10. traubgator

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    yea, but it's called being predictable and everything combined is a recipe for failure
    predictable play calling
    bad run calls on 2nd and 3rd down with 5 yards to go
    routes that don't run past the first down marker
    WR routes with zero separation and wrong route patterns - failure to plant feet etc
    Not taking advantage of 1v1s on offense
    poor blocking
    bad qb throws
    zero half time adjustments

    for 3 years we look like an unprepared team that doesn't practice during the preseason or week leading up to the game.
     
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  11. gatorfanbill

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    I wonder if the Gator D studies the other teams plays. What an idea!
     
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  12. RealGatorFan

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    Sure SOS ran similar plays every game, but it's difficult to cover 4 receivers and the qb throws to a spot on the field. It takes the right QB too.

    Napiers issue is we don't have the dynamic players to pull off the same 5 or 6 plays. Especially true when he calls a run play or bubble screen on 3rd and 10. You have to be creative and he isn't. He's a very boring OC.
     
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  13. gatorwalrus

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    The teams you listed won the LOS more often than not. We currently don't do that, so you have to work around it, we don't do that either.
     
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  14. manigordo

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    Predictable play calling + poor execution= Gator's offense.

    Not rocket science.
     
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  15. antny1

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    I disagree with that. We don't have the wr corps spurrier had but we have plenty to do better than we are doing with them. Wilson and Badger are both run after catch guys. Remember how people said we didn't have receivers that could get open when we had Felipe. Trask takes over and all the sudden we are throwing for 300 yards a game.
     
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  16. spike718

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    its more than this though. For example, the Napier route tree for wide receivers on nearly every snap gives the receiver an option to run basically a hitch, a post, or an out all to the same depth each time. No matter the offensive formation and no matter the defense. If the defense knows this, they can counter with the d-backs running the route with or before the receiver. Making it so no one is ever open. They can select the optimal defense every time. Sure…could someone break open? Yes. But how often do you see a Uf wide receiver wide open? It is not because they are slow or,can’t get off jams or can’t run routes. It is because we make it EASY on the defense.

    to flip that…how often do you see Uf opponents getting a man open vs our defense? Forget if out defense stinks….watch any college football game and you will see receivers running open because the OC is running a play that will be optimal vs the defense. Napier has said over and over he does t do this. He says it isn’t necessary his offense works against any defensive call, but it is never the optimal call unless the defense screws up.

    Another example is spurriers offense at UF. Defenses knew what he was running. Yet…guys were often wide open. Like all the time. Spurrier called plays to take advantage of a defense, receivers ran different route concepts depending on the defensive alignment and they ran them to different depths, different area, a post corner one time a post the next.

    knowing what is coming is much easier to defend when the offense does little to nothing to counteract the defense, which is Napiers core philosophy.
     
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  17. 06GATORS08

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    It's a good thing we kept the same OC...
     
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  18. gatorpjb

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    Ask Carl Reese LSU defensive coordinator, who in 1997 boasted he had figured out how to stop Spurrier’s offense, how that worked out after that loss at LSU.
    It had a whole lot more to do with Booger McFarland and company than Reese.
    Spurrier was one of the greatest offensive play callers in college football history, it took extraordinarily good talent to even hold his offense down.
    Napier isn’t in the same universe when it comes to play calling as Spurrier… but almost no one is, or ever has been. Napier’s problem, it seems to me is that he honestly thinks he is good enough, and seems unwilling to turn it over who might be better
    Shane Matthews is absolutely correct when he says that studying and understanding offensive football, and being able to translate that knowledge into being a virtuoso at calling plays are entirely different beasts… I might know how play a piano but that doesn’t mean I’m ready for Carnegie Hall.
     
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  19. maxgator

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    Offenses generally do what they do regularly. Our offense ran what it ran last year and we were moderately successful.

    Sometimes offenses will modify what they do for a particular opponent. Either to take advantage of perceived weaknesses in the defense or to avoid problems posed by a particular defense. But by and large teams run basically the same offense. They can only practice so much. It's not as if we are going to come out one week running a power I And the next five wide.

    For example, the wheel your against uga. More often, certain packages from the general offense are installed. We aren't very creative and do the same shit all the time. But so do most offenses. They don't radically change week to week.
    So how do we ever score? How did we average 30 points a game last year. All those things were present.

    Teams play their base offense. Certainly there can be modifications to account for opportunities against the defense and there can be modifications to account for potential problems with those defenses.

    But overwhelmingly teams score points by executing their offense. Had Florida executed its offense properly, despite the fact that Miami knew what was coming, we would have scored points.

    Offense is just don't come in every week with something completely different. They run fundamental concepts.

    The Miami Coach is just being the douche. I'll bet you if you go back and look at Miami's offense last year, you will find they ran the same core plays.

    Miami had an advantage here, just like Florida had an advantage against Utah Napier's first year in that they had a dynamic quarterback the other team had not seen play in that offense before.

    I'm not defending any of the problems that we have. Clearly there are many deficiencies. Even so, coming into this year almost no one was pointing at the offense as the failing point for this team. Why? Because despite its failings it has been reasonably effective.
     
  20. antny1

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    Doug Johnson going on a bender also helped LSU in that 97 game
     
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