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(MERGED) NBA Western Conference Finals Rockets v. Warriors Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Nuttin' but Net' started by harnettgator, May 16, 2018.

  1. harnettgator

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    The Game: Golden State Warriors (58-24, 29-12 away) at Houston Rockets (65-17, 34-7 home)
    When: Wednesday, May 16th, 9pm ET (6pm Pacific)
    Where: Toyota Center, Houston (TX)
    Watch It: TNT ~ ESPN GameCast
    What's at Stake:
    The Rockets look to even the series tonight after they lost Game #1 at home to the Warriors by a score of 119-106​

    NBA.com Recap of Game #1 & Preview of Game #2:
    On how the Ws won Game #1 - During the regular season, Houston ranked dead last in the NBA with an average of 253.8 passes/game, due in large part to the fact that they possess some of the best isolation players in the game. In Game 1 on Monday, the Rockets passed the ball a total of 226 times, compared to 283 passes for the Warriors. Making matters worse for Houston was the fact that in addition to having success moving the ball around, the Warriors could also rely on their own isolation master when things bogged down.

    Kevin Durant led the Warriors with a team-high 37 points Monday night, and 27 of those points came in isolation sets - where Durant shot 10-of-13 from the field, drew three fouls and committed just one turnover. That said, the effects of ball movement on shot quality were readily apparent in Game #1. Outside of James Harden, Clint Capela was the only Rocket to make at least half of his field goal attempts.

    On How Houston Can Win - When push came to shove in Game 1, the Ws’ best players proved to be the difference in the game. Durant and Harden largely cancelled out each other’s offensive outputs, but Thompson and Curry provided the Ws with the fire power that Chris Paul and Clint Capela failed to give the Rockets...It's no surprise that the Warriors would lean heavily on that trio, but the fact that they were able to be (both) efficient and productive in that situation is not a good sign for Houston.

    If the Rockets are going to even the series up at one game apiece, they’ll likely need to get more production from their own headliners, while doing a better job limiting the effectiveness of Golden State’s. Read more here.

    HOUSTON -- It required two minutes and 23 seconds for all the Rockets had worked for to be torn asunder, for their unrelenting charge to the best record in the Western Conference to be rendered moot, and the home-court advantage that accompanied that accomplishment to be blithely negated through the handiwork of Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson, and Draymond Green.

    It took that long for Golden State to churn out a 12-2 run in the third quarter that yielded a double-digit lead and a stranglehold on Game 1 of the Western Conference Finals on Monday night at Toyota Center.

    The Rockets had labored down the stretch of the regular season to bypass the Warriors in the standings and guarantee that this anticipated series would open in Houston. In one two-plus-minute flash, the Warriors snuffed the Rockets and left them reeling.... Read more here.

    By the time opponents know what's hit them, it's already too late. This is how the Warriors crush -- and how the NBA fails to fight back. by Baxter Holmes 05/11/18

    Cotton-thick snow flutters from an endless white ceiling, choking downtown Cleveland on this mid-January night. On steeper terrain, snow can turn sinister, transforming into a screaming wall of white that buries anything in its path. The NBA's most destructive force acts in similar fashion. Inside Quicken Loans Arena, it has lain dormant for three quarters, and now in the fourth, with the score tied at 93, it arrives slowly, subtly, like a snowflake falling from the sky.... Read more here.

    ...but are Kevin Durant & the Warriors unstoppable?
    We'll soon find out!​
     
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  2. cincinnatigator

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    Interesting stat mentioned, Harden had 550 dribbles compared to Curry/Durant/Thompson 549 combined dribbles in game 1. The Rockets have made more of an effort to get everyone involved tonight because that iso crap wouldve got them swept.
     
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  3. harnettgator

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    Interesting indeed.

    I recall the announcers in Game #1 saying Steph was having “a quiet night.” Relative to Harden and KD, that was prolly an accurate description, especially if you're only consider scoring. But Curry's 8:1 assist:turnover ratio was significantly better than Harden's 7:4. Curry also contributed 6 rebounds and 2 steals for the Ws; while Harden had just 4 and 1 respectively.

    My point is that Curry's a great all-around PG and really makes the Ws offensive and defense click.
    EDIT: when they're clicking...which they don't seem to be tonight (yet) :oops:
     
  4. rserina

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    They were very efficient on isos the first game. Just didn't hit their shots (at the rim or from the arc) or take care of the ball, leading to a ton of fast break points for GS.
     
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  5. cincinnatigator

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    More importantly they didn’t make GS work on the defensive end.
     
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    The Rox actually ran more isos (46 to 45) than Game 1. They just played harder, hit their shots more, limited turnovers, and got back in transition. Didn't do a blessed thing different otherwise.
     
  7. cincinnatigator

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    We must've watched different games then because the ball movement was there in game 2 that wasn't there in game 1.
     
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    To a man, the Rockets insisted they didn't change their approach in Game 2 after being criticized for playing such an isolation-heavy game Monday night. If anything, they seemed to double down on that approach and way of being Wednesday night. They just did it a whole lot better.

    Houston's passing in Game 2 led to much better shots than it did in Game 1. On Wednesday, for example, the Rockets created 12 uncontested 3-point shots off assists and made six of them. In Monday's loss they created only five uncontested 3-pointers off assists and made two of them...

    According to Second Spectrum, the Rockets actually finished with more isolation plays Wednesday (46) than they did Monday (45), when they ran more isolations than any team in any game over the past five years. This time though, it was spread around more equitably than in the Game 1 loss. Harden went from 26 isolation plays to 16, and Chris Paul increased his from 10 to 16 -- leading to increased playmaking opportunities for one of the best point guards of all time.


    Defiant Rockets rewarded for ignoring calls for change
     
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    Houston also got out on the break more, and limited transition opportunities for GS (particularly by making bunnies and not having as many live ball turnovers). They went from -15 to +5 in fast break points. Couple that with Ariza and Tucker from from 1-7 to 6-9 on threes, and you have your difference.
     
  10. cincinnatigator

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    That article has nothing to do with my point and the author missed the point of the critics. People weren't criticizing the offense itself but how stagnant that offense was. The idea of iso offense is to beat your man one on one and when the help comes, find the open shooter. Nowhere in the offense does it mention dribbling around the arc like it's a pickup game and jacking up bad shots late in the clock. It was actually pretty impressive that he was able to make a number of those tough shots. Harden totaled 550 dribbles which exceeded Durant, Curry, and Thompson combined. In game 2 he went down to 442 dribbles which tells me they moved the ball significantly more even though the basis of their offense remained the same. Chris Paul also had 67 fewer dribbles in game 2. Even if their role players miss those shots, they were much better possessions than in game 1 because they were confusing the Warriors defensive assignments and visibly frustrating them.
     
  11. cincinnatigator

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    They made those shots because they got better looks. I remember Harden passed to the role players very late in the shot clock in game 1 which is close to a turnover because the player's shooting percentage is very low in that situation.
     
  12. rserina

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    Part of the reason for fewer dribbles was transition, part of it is that they were figuring out how they intended to play the lobs to Capela, which forced them to back it out more, and part of it was better defense by GS in the first game vs the second. Houston was much better executing their stuff in the second game, but it was the same stuff.
     
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    Fair enough on the late clock. That was definitely true. But they had a ton of good looks. Made the "wide open," but missed most of their "open" (defender within 4-6 feet).
     
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  14. cincinnatigator

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    I think it was as simple as Houston wanting it more on both ends and executing the offense better. It was a much too relaxed attitude for them the first game. Last night they were playing with a more aggressive mentality. I don’t think they can repeat that three more times. GS also played much worse, the turnovers and defensive lapses contributed to Houston’s momentum. Sweep avoided, but this is probably going to end in 4-1 or 4-2 Warriors.
     
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  15. harnettgator

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    Houston Rockets (65-17, 31-10 away) at Golden State Warriors (58-24, 29-12 home)
    When: Sunday, May 20th, 8pm ET (5pm Pacific)
    Combined Vegas Line: Golden State by 7.5
    Watch It: TNT ~ TNTDrama.com ~ TNT mobile app
    Where: Oracle Arena, Oakland (CA); Capacity: 19,596

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    Recapping Game#2 Rockets Route the Warriors - How Houston Evened the Series Associated Press May 17, 2018
    The Houston Rockets were the best team in the NBA in the regular season.

    They played like it Wednesday night, using a balanced scoring attack to rout the Golden State Warriors 127-105 and even the Western Conference finals at one game apiece.
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    James Harden and Eric Gordon each scored 27 points on a night Houston had five players score 16 points or more.

    "We can beat anybody, anywhere at any time playing the way we play," coach Mike D'Antoni said...
    Read more here.
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    WCF Game #2 Team Leaders
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    You can check out the full Game #2 Box Score here.
     
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  16. harnettgator

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    Okay so, nearly 2min into the 2Q and we have ourselves a ballgame in Oaktown
     
  17. harnettgator

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    Houston with 8 turnovers already
     
  18. harnettgator

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    And apparently, KD is still really good in the postseason
     
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  19. cincinnatigator

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    Iguodala hasn’t aged in like 15 years.
     
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  20. cincinnatigator

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    I predict that GS will run away with this in the 2nd half. Houston played their A+ game in game 2.
     
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