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Marianne Williamson Offers $200B in Slavery Reparations

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by chemgator, Apr 14, 2019.

  1. carpeveritas

    carpeveritas GC Legend

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    Seems you covered all the bases and I wonder how many people feel this way about it?
     
  2. chemgator

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    As bad as slavery was, it doesn't compare to what America (and Europeans before America was a country) did to the native Americans. We wiped them OUT. The Europeans accidentally killed 90-95% of them with smallpox within years of starting to interact with them. And for centuries, that was just about the kindest thing we did to them. The survivors of the European diseases were constantly being pushed off their lands. The more desirable the land, the harder and farther we pushed. In the end they are stuck on reservations in places like Oklahoma and South Dakota, where few people who can afford to live elsewhere choose to live. They were stripped of their culture, had the wildlife they depended on for centuries slaughtered, and finally reduced to alcoholism and hopelessness. Where is the justice in that? We gave them the right to operate casinos, which was quickly leaped on by wealthy outsiders with often dubious claims to native American heritage. Their education is sub-standard, their living conditions are sub-standard, and their opportunities are extremely limited. On top of it all, their history is portrayed by their killers and masters as one of an uncivilized savage people, which is ironic, because the Europeans that conquered them were in many ways much less civilized than they were.
     
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  3. OaktownGator

    OaktownGator Guardian of the GC Galaxy Moderator VIP Member

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    You make an excellent point wrt Native Americans. The only plus for them is they actually got granted sovereign lands, albeit only lands we couldn't find anything of value on. We broke our word repeatedly with every treaty we signed.

    Both situations were really bad. Not sure how you quantify one as worse than the other. A comparative checklist of the abuses suffered would be exceedingly ugly for both groups. No "winner".
     
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  4. gatorknights

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    Kinda like who's worse? John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, or Ted Bundy?

    Or, Bobby Bowden or Vince Dooley? KIDDING, but hopefully everyone gets the point.
     
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  5. carpeveritas

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    Correction "WE" did not wipe them out and I believe I can safely say that not a single person that played a role in the events concerning the Indian tribes and their plight is alive today.
    In my opinion we should get rid of the reservations altogether as we are one nation the United States of America.
    I find it rather disheartening that over the years nothing the Federal Government has done in the way of grants, education, health prospects etc... has had any effect with regards to native Indians and reservations.
    As for the comment regarding casinos and gambling lets not forget these reservations did not have to accept or build these operations. Fact is everyone sees dollar signs even the Indians with regards to casinos.
     
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  6. OaktownGator

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    Tough issue. People exiled to remote, inhospitable lands. No resources to develop.

    Casinos are a draw and way to make money, both in the casinos and related tourism and services... hotels, restaurants, car service, arts and crafts, jewelry, etc.
     
  7. carpeveritas

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    First these people are not exiled. We do not lock them up on the reservations they choose to stay there of their own accord.

    As for resources especially natural ones that is a tough call with regards to the tribes themselves as they are the proprietor of the reservation.

    I think we can both agree any community that is solely dependent on tourism and the service industry without any diversification concerning economic influx will remain stagnate with regards to income, wages and upward economic mobility.
     
  8. OaktownGator

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    Of course they can move around freely today.

    But that is not the legacy we have as a nation. We ran them from their homes, over and over again, repeatedly breaking binding treaties in the process. We literally did exile them to remote, inhospitable, valueless lands. And when we found value in those lands (minerals or whatever), we broke the treaties again to take what was there.

    I agree that primarily tourist based economies are subject to economic variability and have caps in what they can achieve and maintain. But for people who live in remote areas with little or no resources, what better options are there?
     
  9. carpeveritas

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    Again I take exception with the word "WE" neither you nor I had anything to do with happened so many years ago.
    As for options it's called relocate. Now if "WE" want to help in that regard I wouldn't have an issue with it all.
     
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  10. mariejustice54

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    Well said Dear.