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Manafort: what we have here is a failure to redact-- and collusion.

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by duchen, Jan 8, 2019.

  1. grumpygator77

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    trump has and has done much worse. How do trump supporters continue defending the guy by using the "but Obama" meme.
     
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  2. madgator

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    From the people who think that Uranium One is a non-story......


    Please give just o ne example of "much worse" when it comes to Russia. Just one example.
     
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  3. grumpygator77

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    I don't waste my time screaming at deaf folks...
     
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  4. madgator

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    I'll take that as an admission that you don't have anything.....


    but of course the facts (in both cases) won't make you stop and reconsider. Charge on partisan warrior! Go Team Democrat!
     
  5. madgator

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    Anyone else can jump in with an example......
     
  6. duchen

    duchen VIP Member

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    Except that you have ignored the preceding and intervening events. Including, preceding events such as the nuclear treaties that were being negotiated until 2012. More to the point, to look at the annexation of Crimea, invasion of Ukraine, Russian aggression in Syria and elsewhere, the direct interference in the election and the cooperation by Manafort, Trump Junior, Kushner and other cutou on it and to equate that to Uranium One or Obama’s comments, is intellectually dishonest because we did not have the benefit of the subsequent events after 2010 and 2012. Also, Obama’s policies toward Russia changed after the subsequent events. So, all this is on your part is a naked and really pathetic attempt to hijack a thread by someone who doesn’t care that the chairman of a presidential campaign gave polling data to a hostile power that interfered in our election by targeting certain potential voters.
     
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  7. madgator

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    Which subsequent events in 2010 and 2012?
     
  8. duchen

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    Manafort giving polling data to a Russian spy. The Trunp Tower meeting. Perjury about the Moscow Project. The walls are coming down.l now on this conspiracy; the “no collusion” lie is over. What’s worse: Trump has convinced a significant portion of the country to think like you do. And, we are not going to take your bait on Uranium One here. Funny how certain posters reappear every time there is a collusion story th bring up Uranium One or the 2012 camapign comments and try to divert.
     
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  9. duchen

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    After 2O10 and 2102. Crimes, Ukraine, Magnitsky, Syria, 2016 election. Instead of your relativity, take a stab at defending Manafort giving polling data to a Russian spy. Trump has been saying what a nice guy Manafort is and how terrible the charges against Manafort were. Presumably, since his lawyers had a joint defense agreement with Manafort and the defense lawyers have been cooperating with Trump. Why the defenses of Manafort? Why don’t you weigh in on Manafort’s admission of doing this?
     
  10. madgator

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    If Manafort did that, then he should be subject to the law accordingly. I've never said anything different.


    But considering all that you said, I think it's safe to assume that you'll agree that if the US state department and the Obama administration were not in collusive relationships with the Russian government, they sure were played as complete fools.
     
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    Does being played as a complete fool meet the standard of treason? If so, there's an awful lot of human beings committing treason on a minute by minute bases. Asking for a friend...
     
  12. madgator

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    I was not comparing the two. Just expanding on that point of view.....

    What's your opinion on Obama and how badly he failed with Russia? Quite an ass he made of himself in that 2012 debate wasn't it?

    I mean considering how he is a supposed genius coupled with that smugness in his position.....he got absolutely played. Look at all the damage his actions have caused.
     
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  13. VAg8r1

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    If Obama made an ass of himself as a result of the 2012 comments what do you call a POTUS who seriously considering lifting sanctions against Russia imposed following its annexation of the Crimea and invasion of the Eastern Ukraine in 2014? Either incredibly gullible, possibly on the take, or maybe both?
     
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  14. fredsanford

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    First off, Uranium One is the same class of issue as Bigfoot or Pizzagate. Even the GOP congressional knuckleheads that wasted our time with Benghazi couldn't find an angle to push this nonsense.

    Second, regarding Obama and the flexibility comment, feel free to list any issues where BHO kowtowed to Russia. The comment is meaningless if it can't be tied to behavior.

    Now as for Trump, we know that members of his campaign had roughly 4 dozen meetings with Russian operatives that they tried to hide and can't explain. I can connect their behavior with the actions of the Russians who have already been indicted for interfering in the election. There was also Trump publicly asking the Russians to find Hillary's emails--an effort they undertook the very same day as his request.

    So, only someone really invested in sophistry could possibly equate the actions of any prominent Democrats with Trump's connections to Russia.
     
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  15. duchen

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    No I would not agree. We signed treaties with the Russians under the Obama administration, including nuclear treaties.

    As far as the Uranium One deal, it was an open approved agreement by multiple agencies of the government. They did not secretly conspire with Russia like Manafort, Trump Junior and Kushner.

    And, there is no "if" about Masnafort. He admitted doing this in the filing he made that is the subject of this thread, So, your "if" is wrong.

    To be clear: he did it and it is time to start facing reality.
     
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  16. duchen

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    Start your own thread on this please. You constantly jump into these collusion threads and try to hijack them. This is another one. If you want to know about Obama's dealings with Russai, read McFaul's book. Long, but he lays it out.
     
  17. duchen

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    He is trying to hijack the thread.