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Manafort: what we have here is a failure to redact-- and collusion.

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by duchen, Jan 8, 2019.

  1. duchen

    duchen VIP Member

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    Oops.

    Paul Manafort, President Trump's former campaign chief, argues to keep plea deal with Robert Mueller

    In an unsuccessfully redacted portion of the filing, Manafort’s lawyers said Mueller alleged he “lied about sharing polling data with Mr. Kilimnik related to the 2016 presidential campaign.” His lawyers said it wasn’t surprising Manafort didn’t remember sharing polling data because he was busy with the campaign.

    Manafort acknowledged in his filing that he hadn't initially remembered meetings or communications with Kilimnik. For example, in an unsuccessfully redacted portion of the filing, Manafort recalled meeting Kilimnik in Madrid only after being told Kilimnik was there at the same time.

    In response to accusations about speaking with administration officials, Manafort said he was asked about two specific officials and said that the special counsel provided examples of "(mostly indirect) contacts with individuals during periods they were in the administration."
     
  2. mdgator05

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    Okay show of hands as to who believes that he simply forgot what he talked to his GRU employee about during the campaign. BTW, strange that he was so busy meeting with people and running a campaign to remember this meeting but that he had time to travel to Madrid. How many electoral votes do they have in Madrid?
     
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  3. gatorknights

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    Witch hunt! Fake news! Not a shred of evidence! Why is this taking so long? This is a waste of taxpayer $$! No collusion!!!!


    Did I miss a few things?? :D:D
     
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  4. duchen

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...ording-to-court-filing/2019/01/08/3f562ad8-12

    The special counsel alleged Manafort “lied about sharing polling data with Mr. Kilimnik related to the 2016 presidential campaign,” according to the unredacted filing, and discussed Ukrainian politics with Kilimnik during that time.

    “Manafort ‘conceded’ that he discussed or may have discussed a Ukraine peace plan with Mr. Kilimnik on more than one occasion,” his attorneys quote the special counsel as saying, and “’acknowledged’ that he and Mr. Kilimnik met while they were both in Madrid.”

    Mueller also said Manafort lied about contacting Trump administration officials after Trump took office. Manafort had told investigators he had no direct or indirect contact with White House officials since Trump’s inauguration, but Manafort had been in touch with officials as recently as the spring, according to the filing.
     
  5. duchen

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    Sharing the polling data is serious, especially considering the targeted approach by the Internet Research Agency.
     
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  6. staticgator

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    Spain may not be the center of this whole thing but it is at least a regional hub.

    In April 2017 Russian hacker Pyotyr Levashov, who is thought to be behind hacking the DNC emails and more than half of the US states' voter databases, was arrested there.

    Will Russian hackers rounded up by U.S. snitch on Putin regime?
     
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  7. mdgator05

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    Butina's handler also used to be a regular in Spain until he was about to be charged as an organized crime figure. Russian intelligence apparently has a pretty heavy presence in the country.
     
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  8. gatorjnyc

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    Just a few:

    But Hillary!!!
    But Obama!!!
    Mueller is a libby!!!
    Deep State!!!
    Manafort was only with the Trump campaign for a very short while!!!
    Sure Manafort lied and cheated - but all politicians do!!!
     
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  9. duchen

    duchen VIP Member

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    The spin on this will be fun to hear. “Nothing wrong with sharing the campaign’s polling data with his protege.” Etc. Another piece of the puzzle.
     
  10. staticgator

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    This is just about the entire conspiracy. Russian hackers had detailed personal information on the US electorate far more substantial than any law abiding polling/consulting firm had and they used Facebook through legitimate means and illegitimate means via Peter Thiel and Yuri Milner to micro target every single voter to encourage or discourage voting and Trump and people associated with Trump paid them for this.
     
  11. ursidman

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    One could almost say it is collusion/conspiracy with a hostile foreign government by a member of a presidential campaign. What do we call people who do such a thing?
     
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  12. mdgator05

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    Witches?
     
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  13. ursidman

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    Bingo :)
     
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  14. duchen

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    On this board, yes
     
  15. duchen

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    Traitor.
     
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  16. duchen

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    Have not seen the Theil Milner connection reported publicly in many places. But, how the Russians got the data is now a little clearer. Open question if they had the hacked Dem data or used GOP data from Manafort. But, no reason for Manafort to give that data to Kiliminick except for it to be used. Edit: but, you are right. This is core to the conspiracy and Manafort was the campaign manager. Another fact that adds up and makes sense with what we already know.
     
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  17. GatorRade

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    Sounds a bit collusiony for sure.
     
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  18. WarDamnGator

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    One of the biggest questioned raised right after the election is how the Russians were able to target the right people with such precision in their social media campaigns. It was long suspected that the Trump campaign was sharing the polling data. This is 100% collusion.

    (BTW, what does "unsuccessfully redacted" mean? They screwed up the blacked out areas? I heard some documents recently (I can't recall which case) were unredacted by cutting and pasting the blacked-out text into Word and changing the font setting.)
     
  19. duchen

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    They screwed up redacting. I don’t know how. I did not see what was on line. Apparently, there was a filing where one could see what was supposed to be blacked out.
     
  20. WarDamnGator

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    Well, even if it was a screw up, I'm glad stuff like this starting to come out. I'm really not a fan of the public being kept in the dark about everything for so long. And this is probably a drop in the bucket of what Mueller has learned about the Trump campaign in the two years he's been investigating.
     
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