Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by danmann65, Mar 13, 2019 at 12:43 PM.
I hope you’re right, but rich people seem to live by a different set of rules.
I had a total of 8. My buddy had 7.5.
No. Take politics out and he gets at least 10 to 15 years in Virginia. All sarcasm aside, these are federal judges. Politics are out of it.
Too many reputations to be made on these cases.
The DA Vance is trying to get out from under taking a “Bondi contribution check” prior and not going after Kushner and Ivanka for a slam dunk crime.
ZERO!!! Because in politics foreign lobbyists don't get convicted.....he was doing what he was doing for well over a decade and every one in DC not only knew about it but all of K street is basically doing the same thing
Manafort was not targeted for his actual crimes, he was targeted because he chose to work for the outsider in Trump. Where they then targeted him for what he's been doing forever in the hopes that he'd provide something to get rid of Trump with.
So you ask when "politics is taken out of it", this whole thing was a political "hit".
What does it matter if it's a republican or not?
This is not party politics as usual.
All of K Street isn’t working with Russian cutouts.
Manafort committed actual crimes. Being hired by Trump did not give Manafort immunity from tax evasion, bank fraud, etc. Your point is that as a Republican, he is immune from prosecution. We get that. You made your point very clear. The argument you made on your postbos exactly what the Judge shot down today. But, don’t let that shake your world view.
Damn the torpedo's....and damn the state of New York with torpedo's.
So if they're Chinese or Korean instead that makes it all better?
Has zero to do with him being a republican...and while being hired by Trump certainly didn't give him immunity, it certainly did take away the immunity that he previously enjoyed when he was working with the likes of Bush and Dole.
You cannot dismiss the fact that what Manafort was doing wasn't well known and publicized....and no one cared until it gave them the opportunity to target Trump
They had been investigating Manafort for al long time in the ED Va. And, as Judge Jackson notes, it is a non sequitor anyway. Happens all the time that during investigations they find additional crimes. Your assertion that the government knew that Manafort was hiding money offshore in accounts in Cyprus and that the govenment turned a blind eye is false. Or about the Hapsburg group or other ways he hid the extent of what he was doing.
So you're saying if an individual has a long history of improper and illegal activity he should be immune from prosecution if he stays under the radar? And by the way it's not all that uncommon to discover criminal activity by an individual not the original target of an investigation when investigating criminal activity by another person. For example, an investigation of a major drug dealer could reveal money laundering on behalf of the dealer by a third party, for an example a real estate developer or a banker. And what if the investigation of money laundering on behalf of the dealer reveals other types of financial fraud by the third party? Because the third party wasn't the original target should he/she gets a free pass? Not in the real world.
That is kind of my point. My position is that party politics is hopelessly corrupt. Trump is teaching us that there are worse things than corrupt party politicians.
In Trump world, if people had not gotten involved with Trump, they would not have been investigated or prosecuted. So, prosecutors of criminals are wrongly political. After all, they didn’t charge Hilary with Espoinage for having a private email server and look what they are doing to Paul Manafort. Trump says he is a nice guy.
All Trump is really proving is just how far "corrupt party politics" will go. He's not so much a "worse thing" than corrupt party politics as the ultimate extension of it.
The irony is that although Trump ran on the narrative of being outside of corrupt party politics, he embodies the worst in political corruption. As an example, and conceding that there may have been other technical reasons, could the $1 million contribution that Boeing gave to the Trump Inauguration Committee have been a factor in the delayed grounding of the 737 Max 8 by the FAA? Similarly, the Boeing CEO visited Mar a Lago on regular basis. Any connection? Maybe, maybe not, but it sure raises questions.
Boeing and Trump face a clear conflict of interest, aviation experts say
Manafort broke the law, was caught, and found guilty by a jury of his peers including at least one full fledged MAGA supporter.
Yes or no - should he do time in prison?
So I heard something interesting tonight on a podcast and we’ll see what the legal eagles on the board say about this.
Long story short is that New York has a law on the books that prevents the state from charging a person with the same crimes that the federal government has convicted them for even though they could. The idea being that if the federal government goes after you and you do a plea bargain where you admit to a crime, the state government can come in behind the feds and use the information you gave in your plea deal against you in a state court. Apparently sometimes with things like organized crime in New York, the feds will let the states go after a mobster first because if something goes wrong with the prosecution at the state level, the feds don’t have anything that prevents them from taking a second bite at the apple.
So currently New York State cannot actually go after Manafort for the same crimes he admitted to committing. New York State may change the law to allow them to go after Manafort if Trump pardons him, with the idea being a pardon wipes away a conviction and so no conviction at the federal level, New York State can charge him all over again. However, it Trump commutes his sentence, New York cannot go after Manafort again.
Apparently a lot of states have similar laws about double jeopardy protections for their citizens. Will have to see if Virginia is one of them.