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Let’s say Trump declares a national emergency to start building the wall

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by The_RH_Factor, Jan 27, 2019.

  1. The_RH_Factor

    The_RH_Factor GC Legend

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    First of all, what’s going to get done in the next three weeks? Trump insists on a wall and Pelosi insists on no wall and both stand their ground.

    Trump declares a national emergency and starts building the wall.

    It gets fought in the courts by the Democrats. How is this going to sit with voters? Pelosi and Schumer declare the wall won’t work even though they voted for a wall in the past. (I would assume they have walls where they live for protection)

    It goes to the Supreme Court. How does the Supreme Court say it’s unconstitutional to build a wall?

    Constitutionally the President is supposed to protect the country and a wall is protection.

    The Dems fight against it. How does this sit with voters?
     
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  2. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

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    Considering the wall is pretty unpopular, probably pretty well. BTW, your assumption is incorrect.

    And the Supreme Court issue will be whether the President has the right to declare an emergency about whatever he feels like doing so. If he wins, then any President pretty much always gets to declare an emergency to pass something Congress won't pass. Is that what you want?
     
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  3. The_RH_Factor

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    Let’s make it simple:

    Why are the Democrats opposed to building a wall to protect the nation?
     
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  4. fastsix

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    Same reason I'm opposed to buying essential oils to help solve life's problems. They're expensive and they don't do what the person trying to sell them claims they'll do. In other words, they're a waste of money designed to benefit the seller personally, and not much else. There are things that will help solve both of these issues, just not the things those hucksters are trying to con you into buying.
     
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  5. Emmitto

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    D's are literally running on this issue, they'd love to keep it going.

    You see the quandary FOS is in now. His minions are trying to take "wall" out of the conversation. But D's are very publicly offering up "border security" money, but preventing it from being used for the wall. Now DJT is right back to "wall", because the semantics game got owned. He can't even hold a pep rally because the chant won't be "Increase border security!!"
     
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  6. GatorNorth

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    If all the Pubs really wanted a wall, wouldn’t Congress have approved funds for it the past 2 years.

    It’s an emergency now with illegal immigration at a 40 year low but wasn’t in 2016 when higher.

    You’re advocating giving the prez unlimited powers under the guise of “safety”.

    What’s next?
     
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  7. AndyGator

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    Let's make it more simple. Why did the Republicans oppose the wall for two years when they had total control of the budget and could pass whatever they wanted? They did not even try. When you answer that, you have the answer to your other simple question.
     
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  8. AzCatFan

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    If the President calls a national state of emergency to use the military to build a wall, Trump will have to prove there is an emergency. Not an easy sell given illegal crossings are at 40 year lows, crime is at near historic lows and border cities are safer than comparable sized non-border cities. There are also 8 million illegals in our work force at a time with only 6 million unemployed. What's the emergency?

    Additionally, unless Trump can show the non emergency is a military threat, the border is clearly a civilian issue. The use of the military would be Constitutionally forbidden. Trump, or any President, cannot use military personnel or funds for civilian projects unless there is truly imminent danger. If there was truly an imminent danger, why has Trump waited over two years? Why wait the 36 days for the shut down? Or the three weeks we now have?

    Last, the wall is ineffective and expensive. It's also a potential ecological and environmental nightmare as about 100 endangered species live in the border area. And much of the border area are subject to annual floods in the summer. People have always found ways to go over, under, around, or through walls, and over 90% of illicit drugs enter through legal entry points. A wall won't help.

    The Ds already offered $1.3 billion in border security enhancements for better tech that will actually help and be a lot less expensive. Trump would be wise to accept it. Or if he wants more, he needs to give up more, like a permanent DACA solution, and not a 3 year bandaid with poison pills.
     
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  9. gator10010

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    Because Trump wants it.
     
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  10. WarDamnGator

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    Pelosi and Schumer would not be arguing the case, and the case would not center around the effectiveness of walls. The case will center around whether a co-equal branch of government can usurp the power of another branch.

    Other than that, I don't think voters will be swayed. They are pretty much split now, probably along party lines, or close.
     
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  11. WarDamnGator

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    Name one thing the Republicans gave Obama in his last 6 years to fulfill one of his campaign promises or complete one of his pet projects ...
     
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  12. gatorknights

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    Because it won't "protect the nation" any more than a band aid will protect against cancer. Or so I'm told. Smells to me like this is more about the individual one engaging in a Johnson measuring contest rather than running a country. I could be wrong.
     
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  13. fredsanford

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    Anything you can wait weeks, months or years to do isn’t an emergency.
     
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  14. BLING

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    To be fair, nobody knows what Trump wants since he keeps flip flopping and not actually providing any real plan or detail.

    However at his campaign rallies, he was pretty clear he wanted something akin to the Great Wall of China (even comparing it to that) and that Mexico was going to pay for it. Totally ridiculous claims.

    I and I think 90% of dems think walls are fine in certain high traffic areas, it obviously makes sense to have a border wall in San Diego to make sure all traffic is routed through the legal point of entry in a major city like that. I'm sure there are other areas that have grown, and that that also may now warrant something similar to San Diego. But that would mean they need other things besides just a "barrier", such as more customs personnel, increased staff to handle asylum claims, better facilities, ability to handle more traffic through the actual port of entry, etc.

    It really doesn't make sense to build walls out in the middle of nowhere.
     
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  15. BigCypressGator1981

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    Hey OP, what happened to Mexico paying for it?

    Why is Trump asking for this money at all?
     
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  16. rivergator

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    And that's really the bottom line that it appears no conservative here, or anywhere else, has an answer for. Two years of total control and it was a non-issue. As soon as Democrats take the house, it suddenly becomes a national emergency.
    Hard to imagine anyone is even trying to sell that with a straight face.
     
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  17. mutz87

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    Doubt it has much effect at all. It will be in the courts for quite a long time and it's doubtful it reaches SCOTUS before the next election.
     
  18. PITBOSS

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    even in this question - the “to protect” is added. Will it protect?! That’s not a retorical question. Will a wall/fence work?
     
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  19. WarDamnGator

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    And if Trump wins in court, the next president can just declare that building a wall is no longer an emergency, but universal healthcare/free college/minimum wage hikes is, and divert funds there ... We will have gone full dictatorship at that point.
     
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  20. boligator

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    Because it won't frigin' work...waste of money...much better ways to secure the border than by building 17th century monument to the "baby-in chief"...
     
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