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Leonard and George to the Clippers

Discussion in 'Nuttin' but Net' started by oragator1, Jul 6, 2019.

  1. OklahomaGator

    OklahomaGator Jedi Administrator Moderator VIP Member

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    Doesn't deserve a team, they average over 18,000 fans a game every year they have been in OKC. Maybe if the people of Seattle supported them they wouldn't have left.

    Here is Seattle's attendance the last 8 years.

    2000-01 41 640,847 15,630
    2001-02 41 633,516 15,452
    2002-03 41 637,194 15,541
    2003-04 41 625,474 15,255
    2004-05 41 675,490 16,475
    2005-06 41 664,157 16,198
    2006-07 41 654,163 15,955
    2007-08 41 547,556 13,355

    Here is OKC's attendance the first 6 years:

    OKLAHOMA CITY THUNDER
    2008-09 41 766,868 18,704
    2009-10 41 738,149 18,003
    2010-11 41 744,068 18,148
    2011-12 33 600,699 18,203
    2012-13 41 746,323 18,203
    2013-14 41 746,323 18,203
     
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  2. jeffphillips21

    jeffphillips21 GC Hall of Fame

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    Wow, nice. Time to move them back to Seattle.
     
  3. twodaparty

    twodaparty GC Hall of Fame

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    No offense but there is a lot more to do in Seattle versus Oklahoma. Plus, without looking it up I’m sure those years you used for each team would show okc being much better competitive squads. Would make the Seattle numbers pretty impressive actually.
     
  4. gatorinmi

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    And Key Arena only seated 17,000.
     
  5. sHiNeR2

    sHiNeR2 All American

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    In 2004, Seattle had a 52 win season, averaged 16.4K. The first season in OKC was 2008 and had a 23 win season, averaged 18.7K. But oh well....

    No need to take shots at OKC. It's certainly not for everyone, but honestly 70% of the league is in a market that probably isn't desirable for alot of these athletes.
     
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  6. twodaparty

    twodaparty GC Hall of Fame

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    It’s not a shot if it’s the truth. And as mentioned by someone else, Key Arena held 17k. You also cherry picked one season. OKC was elite for many years and had 2 top 10 players (not even counting 6th man James Harden) in the league to go and support. There are no other pro sports to support in Oklahoma. Seattle has a lot of sports teams and things to stretch fans in different directions.
     
  7. REM08

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    Louisville would be in the running if the Thunder were ever looking to move. I know its not the market Seattle is but there would be considerable fan support.
     
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  8. sHiNeR2

    sHiNeR2 All American

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    I did cherry pick. I cherry picked the BEST season the team had in the last few years in Seattle, and compared it to the WORST season in OKC.

    I believe that season also had a 2nd yr KD and a rookie Russ. By the record, you can see they weren't the players they are today.

    Honestly, I think this has devolved into a conversation that is irrelevant to the thread. I'll stop with my back and forth. Take care
     
  9. ThePlayer

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    Much better since racist Sterling got caught banging bimbos.
     
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  10. sHiNeR2

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    To add to that, if you hire Jerry West, you pretty much instantly become a well run organization.
     
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  11. rserina

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    I go back and forth on this. They are really, really big with James at the three, Davis at the four, Cousins at the five, plus McGee, Kuzma, Green, and Dudley coming off the bench. But that backcourt does little for me. Assuming you move Green there, you are still running with him, Bradley, Rondo, and Daniels--two of those guys have fallen off majorly in recent years, one struggled mightily with his shot last year, and one is an enigmatic young shooter who can't defend.

    I guess it all comes down to James. If he stays healthy and keeps defying age, then they will be a terrific defensive team with just enough floor spacing, handling, and shooting to make it work. If not, then you are essentially the Pelicans the last few years.

    I do like the Clips a little better right now, especially if George picks up where he left off last year. Great two-way players combined with a solid combination of defenders (Beverley, Harkless, McGruder) and complementary scorers (Williams, Shamet, Harrell). But they have nothing at the give. Do they rotate Green and Harrell there? Does that mean Leonard is the four and George the three? It is going to be very interesting to watch both of these teams evolve. The irony is that the Clips could really use Cousins and the Lakers could really use Williams.
     
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  12. twodaparty

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    No worries. Didn’t mean to be too harsh. It’s just that I don’t appreciate okc fans being irate with Billy D when he’s done little wrong. I mean as a rookie head coach he was within 1 quarter and 1 KD choke job of unseating the Warriors and stopping their mini dynasty. Then he gets screwed with roster turnover and things totally beyond his control. Okc fans are misguiding their anger if it’s pointed at its head coach.
     
  13. demosthenes

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    I think people are really undervaluing the moves the Lakers made.

    The pick and roll with Lebron and Davis will be devastating when paired with the three point shooting the Lakers acquired. Both Lebron and Davis are top 10 in the league for PER (and both top 3 all time) and Lebron’s stats last season were better than his 2012 MVP season. Cousins when he wasn’t injured last year was good for 20/10. Kuzma and Green are outstanding overall players that will flourish with bigger names in the spotlight. And as for three point shooting, Green/Cook/Caruso all shoot 50%+ on open threes (all top ten in the league) and Green and Cook are top 5 in the league for catch and shoot threes.

    Latest rumor is that the Lakers are planning to run Lebron at PG on offense this season. Quite the intriguing team.
     
  14. cincinnatigator

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    The players the Lakers acquired are well past their primes though, it's not even an argument really. Cousins today moves like he's 35, there's a reason why he's so cheap. The last time Rondo was relevant it seemed like 10 years ago, and they spent $9 million on him. Jared Dudley does little for me.

    It's solid starting 5, but in the regular season are those guys really going to play hard for 38 minutes on both ends when it's an 82-game season? Likely not. Their bench looks like the worst in the league.
     
  15. diamondted13

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    I just love that Lebron finally got played by somebody for a change. And make no mistake Kawhi played him and the Lakers. Dragged it out long enough so Lakers had to go scrambling for knuckleheads and past-their-prime players (not unlike last season). If you're keeping score, Kawhi ended the Heat dynasty, Warriors dynasty (albeit injury-aided), and he's now looking to end the Laker's reign in L.A. Assuming PG is healthy, he's got the better roster going into next season.
     
  16. diamondted13

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    I agree. Lakers did the best they could with what was left, but people are now bending over backwards to elevate guys whose best years are behind them (Cousins, Rondo, Green, Bradley, Dudley), a 12 min/game player (Cook) projected by many to start, and guys who've never sniffed the post-season who've been putting up empty stats on bad teams (Kuzma, KCP).

    With that said, a top 2 of Lebron and AD is already enough to make them contenders, but the rest of the roster just looks like a collection of random, available dudes, most of whom haven't been great shooters in their careers w/ exception of Green.
     
  17. cincinnatigator

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    Lebron fans (for the record, I'm not a fan but not a hater either) are blindly applauding these moves because it's what they want to believe happens rather than what logic and history tells us. It's nearly the same thing that just happened in Cleveland. They surrounded Lebron with a roster full of once good players past their prime and cheap to acquire because they're just looking for a ring. JR Smith, George Hill, Jeff Green, Dwayne Wade, Kyle Korver, Derrick Rose, Jose Calderon, Kendrick Perkins, Channing Frye.... most of these players were great at some point. I don't understand why Lebron would approve of something that's already been proven to fail. If I were Lebron I would've 1. told the Lakers to keep their young talent in place and just go after Kawhi in the offseason 2. lower my salary to make room for an additional FA. If you're a billionaire, what's 5-10 million less gonna do for you really?
     
  18. regurgigator

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    If Kawhi has the better roster, why would he be credited with ending the Lakers' reign? What if PG is their leading scorer? Wouldn't that make it more of a team accomplishment? :cool:

    I won't argue with your roster analysis, however. It's good to see people say that LeBron is on a team lacking talent so that if he manages to help lead them past the Clips and maybe even to a championship there won't be much argument about whether he's still the best player on the planet.

    Should be fun to watch if both teams stay injury free!
     
  19. regurgigator

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    Luke Skywalker avoids the clutches of Darth Vader once again. :cool: