Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Orange_and_Bluke, May 3, 2021.
Some goals are to be strived for not achieved.
I also don't think people expect perfect equality.
That type of absolutism seems to me to miss that the argument is about the *depth* and persistence of inequalities and disparities and their causation.
Tear down racist institutions. Sure. More at extreme and necessary reforms.
Right now I'm sitting in on a forum where an expert on police crackdowns is discussing how up to 95% of police raids are for low level drug crimes involving people of color. Think about that for a moment...and consider how drug use and sales are not found to be much different between races.
You can convince yourself that extreme and persistent disparities aren't systemic i.e that they're "mere disparities" but that is not what research has been finding for decades. And it's not limited to CJ, but spans pretty much every area of life.
So your position is that some races are predisposed to poor choices?
Some races happen to disproportionately make poor choices. For example, single motherhood in the Black community has INCREASED since the Civil Rights movement and is around 70%.
Citation or link please regarding the 95% of raids figure.
Can't right now. Will do when I hear from him.
That said, it shouldn't be surprising. These types of extreme disparities are common across an extremely large empirical literature. Care to provide evidence that every capitalist society has a racism in the free market?
I never said every capitalist society has racism in the free market. I said every capitalist market has racial disparities in the free market.
Rather than me finding a study that suggests every free capitalist/free market country has this, which is kind of surprisingly difficult, why don't you cite me any free country without racial disparities in say, income, for example.
This might help:
IZA World of Labor - Racial wage differentials in developed countries
You're the one that made the claim.
1. you haven’t supported your claim.
2. did you bother opening the link I sent you?
Why do you think that happens? Either its coincidence, racial pathology or some outside conditions beyond their control. Your choice.
That was my point in asking you since you hadn't provided anything either.
I did open your link. For someone who claims there isn't racism behind racial disparities, it's odd that you post a link where the author's argument is that there is likely racism behind the racial disparities in income.
Mostly culture, coincidence, and cycles of bad behavior that create hardship and more bad behavior.
It also supported my claim that other free and prosperous countries have racial income disparities, which helps support that every free and prosperous country has racial income disparities. You care to make a rebuttal?
All I ask is for one free country. Give me one free country where Black people make exactly the same as White people.
If you do, I'll have learned something and will re-evaluate my opinion. If you don't, I'm right. I'm happy either way.
By 'culture' you mean, race right?
It is and it isn't. It likes to appear inclusive.
Tim Scott, the only Black Republican in the Senate, spoke about his own experience with racism in the U.S. The senator contended "America is not a racist country" and said progressives perpetuate discrimination akin to Jim Crow-era policies.
Kamala Harris responds to Tim Scott saying America not racist country
"Akin to Jim Crow-policies" ... so wouldnt that mean America is a racist country? Or was Jim Crow not racist? If you think affirmative action is racist or policies like that are like Jim Crow, that would mean America is a racist country right?
No, you claimed that every country has racial disparities in the free market. It's not my job to find the countries that don't. You made this claim then wanted me to provide evidence of a claim I made.
The problem though for you is that you keep acknowledging disparities at large system levels such as nation states but yet can't see how this is indicative of racism.
As @wgbgator asked, then what is the cause of these disparities?
And I'd ask, why in US have they always been disparities that harm blacks and benefit whites?
By culture I mean culture.