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Least Racist Countries 2021

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Orange_and_Bluke, May 3, 2021.

  1. gatordavisl

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    That one pic is exceptionally symbolic; of hatred, bigotry, stupidity, intolerance, and insurrection. It's emblematic of the events of that day. And to suggest that it doesn't mean anything is willful ignorance at best.
     
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    Sorry if I'm not following accurately. Having concern over one's property value is racist?
     
  3. oragator1

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    If 12 million people streamed in from anywhere there would be outrage. And of course for some race is a factor.
    But my point was the continuing narrative on this board that anything people want to shut down or don’t like is simply racist. The people that come across are by large poor, many not speaking our language, and haven’t been vetted, so yes, even if the number are small there could be people we really don’t want here. And there is a valid question over whether the uneducated and not easily adapted linguistically are the people that we want to let in when we have our pick of people from around the world, including central and South America. They can drive wages down as well in some places. Not to mention the injustice it is to the people from every country who patiently follow the law and wait their turn, while someone else can just cross a river illegally and stay. And that’s before the discussion of whether fast cultural change fears are valid or not.
    And of course there are valid arguments the other way as well. What is our duty to help those in need, what is our need for younger willing workers, how much of the true anger is driven by darker ideals? But to simply say “racist” is simplistic and is an attempt to block actual discussion on a much more complicated issue. Not everyone who wants to actually know or have a say in who legally comes into this country is a Xenophobe or wears a white hood.
    And I am vehemently against the border wall, it’s as big a waste of money as it is pointless, and ecologically damaging, impossible to maintain etc.
     
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  4. gatordavisl

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    Where do you get this stuff? You honestly believe this is primarily a leftist notion?
     
  5. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Yes.
     
  6. PITBOSS

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    where was it funded? Deep state? UN? Media? Science?
     
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  7. Gator715

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    Saying Democrats influence people via false narratives is not robbing people of their agency.
     
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  8. Gator715

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    The real message with you all is to call America so systemically racist, you have an excuse to tear down traditional institutions, and replace them in a radical leftist image, regardless of the accuracy of the narrative.

    If systemic racism means systems that perpetuate racial disparities, you alleviate that through Marxist redistributive principles. How convenient.

    Every capitalist or free market system on planet Earth has racial disparities. That doesn't make them racist because racial disparities and racism are not the same thing. All racist systems have racial disparities but not all racially disparate in outcome systems are racist.

    Turns out that the status quo in America is pretty damned good if you just do the right things.
     
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    McConnell should be against the 1619 project. It's not real history, by admission of the founder of the 1619 project, Nikole Hannah-Jones. It's about "challenging the national narrative" and the "national memory," which in this case is a euphemism for leftist race-baiting propaganda.

    1619 Project founder claims her project is simply an 'origin story,' not history

    If you want to feed your kids BS leftist propaganda, it's a free country, have at it. Don't force feed it on my kids.

    And by the way, there's plenty of ways of acknowledging the racist parts of America's past without resorting to things like the 1619 Project. Slavery was a central part of the Southern economy for a long time. People supported slavery to extents because they were unsure that the South could survive without it. Many European countries abolished slavery before we did. America had heinous judicial decisions like that of Dred Scott, and had Jim Crow until the 1960s and redlining as late as the 1980s. All of that is pretty much accepted history to my knowledge by most on the left and right. But that's not enough for a lot of folks on the left.
     
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  11. DoubleDown11

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    It's legitimately stunning that you think you know this better than....Jews who live in Germany.
     
  12. Gator715

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    It seems to me like that we're supposed to take every racial or ethnic group at their word as far as victimization goes except White people... oh... and only if those people back a certain narrative... Otherwise they're an "Uncle Tom" or a "self-loathing" Jew.
     
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    So if not systemic racism, what perpetuates racial disparities?
     
  14. Gator715

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    Mostly Choices, but also environmental factors and to some degree some other prejudices regarding things like height, weight, eye color, etc. which may be bad, but they’re issues that everyone either have to deal with or benefit from.

    No free system on planet Earth has everyone starting at exactly the same place with exactly the same opportunities. Free societies are messy.
     
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    People say they aren't racist in the abstract, but if you have something like a low income housing come near your neighborhood, that will certainly test people's claims about not being racist. They will certainly say their concern is for the property values (also crime and drugs), not the prospect of low income people living near them. People treat property values as inherently 'rational.' There is a class element to the question to. If you imagine someone different moving near you, you imagine they are of the same class. Some guy in a rich neighborhood probably wouldnt care if Michael Jordan moved next to him. He'd probably be delighted!
     
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    I don't think this is true. There would be concern of course for the problem, but the more you identify with the refugees as people, the response to the "crisis" becomes more humanitarian in nature and less militarized as a response to a 'criminal' problem. Even within the contingent of Latin Americans crossing the border, some are prioritized given peoples sympathies and treated as refugees rather than criminals ... see the Cubans. The border isnt enforced the same, because it always depends on who's crossing it. As with approaches to other crimes, its driven by how people feel about the offenders.
     
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    Our goal shouldn't be to be better than others but to be better than our past selves. We are much better than we were in the past but that doesn't mean we are where we should be.
     
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  18. Orange_and_Bluke

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    What is a realistic goal and how do we measure improving our people to be like no other nation has ever been before?
    Has there ever been a nation that literally treated all with perfect equality and lived in perfect harmony?
    Can we really expect to educate all the people who live in poverty?
    I think it sounds great, but sounds an awful lot like a classroom discussion based on feelings.
     
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    Try to get into Canada and you will find their immigration policies are much more stringent than the US. As for the Canadian border we certainly don't have the same issues we have on the southern border of the US. The main reason being Canadian immigration policies and Canadians are more than content to remain where they are.
     
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    Yes. Whatever happened to her?