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Least Racist Countries 2021

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Orange_and_Bluke, May 3, 2021.

  1. GatorRade

    GatorRade Rad Scientist Premium Member

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    Acknowledging the limitations on such a metric, if I were to be asked for my intuition on the rankings of least racist countries, I think it would come pretty close to the rankings of your study.

    That said, even if we accept this one very limited study, and my own very limited intuition, as truth, what does this tell us? That we need to stop fighting for racial equality, because we are more open to people of other races than India?

    Imagine a reverse kind of thread, where a liberal brings one ranking of least socialist countries with the US at the top (a list that would not be hard to find). Would you come to the thread and instantly agree that “the con socialist talk is tired.”?
     
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  2. Orange_and_Bluke

    Orange_and_Bluke Premium Member

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    Nice pivot.
    I think many can agree that one political party throws the race card out like it’s candy. It may be a “limited “ study, but it does shine light on how USA stacks up in the world. We should be proud.
     
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  3. citygator

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    I believe that survey. Other nations aren’t better at race than we are. Racism is either acceptable over there or the population is so homogeneous that no one notices. We are searching for a much higher standard: To live in a diverse community with equal opportunities, access, and experiences. Checks notes, still a ways to go.
     
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  4. slayerxing

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    As a person who designs surveys, my one issue with this one is here:

    "Unfortunately, racism is not unique to one part of the world. Because the level of racism in a country cannot be measured precisely as something like population, a survey needs to be conducted. The World Values Survey asked respondents from more than 80 countries dozens of questions, including one that asks respondents to identify types of people they would not want as neighbors. The researchers reasoned that the more people of a single country who respond that they would not want a neighbor of a different race, the less racially tolerant you could call that society."


    The problem with this kind of self-assessment is that people will often not actually respond honestly, for several reasons. It's possible that people in other countries just don't care as much and are more open about their racism, because it's more socially acceptable. Racism in the US is very systemic, obviously not socially acceptable, and often, especially with liberals, buried underneath a lot of guilt and denial but it is still there.

    Still it's nice to not always be the baddies! :)
     
  5. g8rjd

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    Notably, look at the two listed country’s neighbors: Jordanians likely read that question to mean Israelis while Indians likely read it to mean Pakistanis, the former of which is an extremely cold peace while the latter is a cold stalemate and both of which involve long wars that preceded their present state.

    Nevertheless, I find interesting is that the OP seems to immediately equate “racist countries” with “how blacks are doing.”

    The lady doth protest too much me thinks...
     
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  6. DoubleDown11

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    I don't doubt that survey, by the way. It seems anecdotally that nationalism is actually more prominent worldwide than it is here. From a race standpoint, how many stories have we heard about people literally throwing bananas at black soccer players in other countries.

    So yeah, the literal point being made in this thread may be accurate, but it's not relevant to whether this country can do things to improve.
     
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  7. g8rjd

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    Oh, I see, “we” should be proud, despite that the reason we compare well to nations having a Cold Peace after years of war on this metric, and despite that it’s the “libbies” that you dismiss who are the ones that have pushed to get the nation to the level tolerance and equality that you want to be so proud of.
     
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  8. wgbgator

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    If its an individual trait, then no country can be racist by definition
     
  9. gatordavisl

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  10. gatordavisl

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    Through a single-item survey of people's desire to live next to a person of a different ethnicity, of course.
     
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  11. BLING

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    I was going to say, I thought Trumpers didn’t care about what other countries do or think?

    A survey of other countries seems a bit of an odd thing for self-proclaimed nationalists to hang their hats on.

    France and UK have big problems, and I can confidently say France is far more racist than the U.S. I’d hardly suggest “at least we’re better than France” as an indication we shouldn’t strive to be better. Some of our democratic allies need to be better too.
     
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  12. dangolegators

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    Self-report racism polls probably aren't too accurate.
     
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  13. GatorRade

    GatorRade Rad Scientist Premium Member

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    What you call a pivot, I call an analogy. In fact, I think the analogy is plenty apt to encompass your response:

    I think many can agree that one political party throws the socialist card out like it’s candy.

    I was actually the only one on the thread agreeing with the results of your survey. I do think we should be proud. The question is whether the pride should come at the cost of any further concern. To continue my analogy, shouldn’t we be proud of how free is our economy? Yes, we would be both say. So, does that mean that we should be no longer concerned about economic liberty?
     
  14. OklahomaGator

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    Would they be consistent? If they interviewed people from many nations, would the inaccuracy be consistent across the different nations?
     
  15. Orange_and_Bluke

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    But this thread is not about pubs calling out libs for being socialists.
    Even if your analogy works...
     
  16. mutz87

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    That is not what the survey found and is not what one can validly conclude from it.
     
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  17. dangolegators

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    I think that depends on the culture. Here in the US, we're very definitely not supposed to be racist. In other countries maybe there is less of a stigma to admitting it than here. I don't know.
     
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    It would be hard to break that down since so many lie and call or attempt to label a person a racist. Just look how often it's done on this board
     
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  20. GatorJMDZ

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    Gee, I wonder why?
     
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