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Israel strikes Iran

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by g8orbill, Jun 12, 2025.

  1. uftaipan

    uftaipan GC Hall of Fame

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    Having air superiority certainly enables that option, doesn’t it?
     
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  2. CaptUSMCNole

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    Provide back up for any of that not from fringe websites like you have been. You have been spreading Conspiracy Theories and Blood Libel throughout this thread while quoting people on Russia's payroll.

    The only proof of someone supporting Pedophilia here is you with your support of Scott Ritter.
     
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  3. sierragator

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    Maybe we wink wink nod nod, ahem gift some of those 30,000 lb'rs to Israel and let them do the rest.
     
  4. CaptUSMCNole

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    I'm guessing that the War Cabinet only signed off on Air Strikes for this operation, thinking that it would be much more challenging. Once they achieved air superiority over Iran, they probably had to go back to the War Cabinet to start socializing the additional options.
     
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  5. CaptUSMCNole

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    Only B2's/B-52 can carry them and Israel does not have them.
     
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  6. neutrino_boi

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    As long it is "Israeli humans"...
     
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  7. g8orbill

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    I would prefer we not be involved but do recognize the fact that the nuclear bomb capabilities have to be taken out and since israel does not have the capabilities of doing so, that leaves it to us
     
  8. uftaipan

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    They don’t have the platforms to deliver them. We aren’t gifting those to anyone.
     
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  9. GatorBen

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    Israel’s lack of a large bomber (versus fighter and attack planes) in general limits their options - theoretically both the B-1 and B-52 should be capable of carrying the MOP as well, although we’ve never officially done so, but Israel also doesn’t have either of those.

    One of the interesting thoughts I have seen bandied about, however, is whether you could conceivably rig up a way for a C-130 (which Israel does have) to drop a massive bunker buster given that we have used them to deliver huge bombs in the past. Although altitude and air speed would be bigger considerations with a bunker buster than they would with surface attack bombs like the Daisy Cutters and MOABs that we have dropped from transport planes, and it’s far from clear that Israel’s “air superiority” over Iran is anywhere near absolute enough to make flying a giant, slow transport plane around a viable possibility.
     
  10. MeyerIsBack

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    Then why say that it is disparaging to call a marine a pedophile because you cited the 'legal' 'prepubescent' definition of pedophilia. I am not sure how to take that other than you downplaying the negativity of the same actions against kids that are 12/13 and older.
    Supporting Isreal or Iran is a binary choice, correct? I can vehemently not support an aspect of something while still supporting other aspects.
     
  11. DieAGator

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    With that, I imagine most of us have considered the entire Epstein ordeal had to do with entrapping then gaining influence over the people that participated. But how could the people we presume were part of it not realize something was completely wrong with going to an island and being involved with underage girls. Maybe they thought, it must be okay, we aren't on US soil and everyone's doing it?
     
  12. Contra

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    To a degree I agree with you. You should count the costs. However, Iran currently wages war against the US and Israel already. Iran also is run by a regime that has an apocalyptic religious ideology that demands world conquest and the complete and total annihilation of people of certain races and religions from the planet. Their regime believes that an apocalyptic character, the Madhi, dwells in a hole in the ground somewhere, and he only comes out of the hole when all the Jews on the planet have been killed. When that happens the Muslim version of the book of Revelation kicks off.

    You must also count the cost of a regime with beliefs like that obtaining nuclear weapons. Iran is not a normal state where mutually ensured destruction is a deterrent, since dying for Allah in battle is the one guaranteed way to enter paradise with 72 virgins. There is also a cost to be paid in a world where Iran has nuclear weapons. That cost should not be minimized or downplayed because of political correctness. It needs to be soberly and realistically considered when making these kinds of decisions.
     
  13. vegasfox

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    Provide a quote of my "blood libel."

    If you don't know Jeffrey Epstein worked for the Mosssd maybe Intel isn't your thing.
     
  14. uftaipan

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    While we’re on that topic, I could have sworn I was told a few years back that the “reason” Russia, despite its overwhelming resource advantage vis-a-vis Ukraine, could not impose air superiority was that no one could anymore. Air superiority was a thing of long ago, and the U.S. et al could not have done it either.

    Huh.

    Israel just did it to Iran with a lot fewer planes and over a far greater tyranny of distance than Russia has had to face. Would anyone care to reevaluate what might happen should Russia insist on bringing NATO airpower into the war over Ukraine? Would F35s be splashed all over Eastern Europe with contemptuous ease? Is Russia still just playing with Ukraine like a cat with a mouse?

    Inquiring minds and such.
     
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  15. vaxcardinal

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    Lots of former intelligence workers are working for IT companies throughout the world. Their skills are highly sought after.
     
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    Respectfully, you weren’t there. Goliath used to ask me for military secrets.
     
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  18. vaxcardinal

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    If someone can Macgyver something up it’s the Israelis
     
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  19. ajoseph

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    But Russia’s invasion was so legal?
     
  20. sierragator

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    I'm sure the Israelis thought this through before launching their attacks last week. At least one would hope so.

    1. Hoping the US would get involved and take out Iran's nuke program.
    2. Hoping Iran would capitulate or that the mullahs would be overthrown.
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    3. one way or the other Israel would have to take out that program on their own, knowing full well they don't have the ordnance or the delivery system to go the bunker buster route.