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Is this the behavior we expect from those responsible for keeping our water and air safe

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Rocinante, May 16, 2018.

  1. OaktownGator

    OaktownGator Guardian of the GC Galaxy Moderator VIP Member

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    Trump bragged he was going to gut the EPA and he chose Pruitt as his man to do it.

    This should be no surprise.

    They have already reversed very weak guidelines on managing coal ash to reduce risk of systemic contamination of water ways and aquifers around coal plants. This contamination is laden with dangerous toxic heavy metals including mercury and arsenic.

    A lot of people are going to get very ill because of these actions. I have family members (blood and in-laws) who spent a lot of time in western PA who have various neurological diseases (MS, MD, Parkinsons) that other family have not contracted. Almost certainly from exposure to heavy metal toxins from coal. And none of them were in the coal industry or in close vicinity of mines.

    Coal is poison and Trump is aggressively supporting the poisoning of America with coal, both by pushing its use as a fuel and weakening regulations that were already far too weak for the dangers associated with this fuel source.
     
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  2. gatorknights

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    Regulations are in place to protect the public from selfish malfeasance. Are some of them over reaching and silly? Of course. But if no one obeys the rule of law, the wild wild west looks like a picnic. That being said, regulations and laws that are not enforced means no regulation or laws at all. Right mortgage business??:cool:
     
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  3. g8orbill

    g8orbill Old Gator VIP Member

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    former prezbo’s EPA was totally out of control and given powers by former prezbo they had no Constitutional right to have
     
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  4. OaktownGator

    OaktownGator Guardian of the GC Galaxy Moderator VIP Member

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    I have no problem with rolling back excessive regulations.

    Intentionally hiding information on known health risks and opening up our waterways to high risk systemic pollution is another thing altogether. Gross malfeasance, as well as in keeping with the complete lack of integrity from the top down in this administration.

    There needs to be a responsible "happy medium" in running this agency.
     
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  5. beanfield

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  6. gatorknights

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    Apparently not, or they wouldn't do that nasty stuff. What is the saying, don't poop where you eat?
     
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  7. beanfield

    beanfield GC Legend

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    Not True......
     
  8. gatorknights

    gatorknights GC Hall of Fame

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    Really...how do you know??
     
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  9. beanfield

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    What do you think...they all have special diets or water that we don't have?? LOL
     
  10. Gatorrick22

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    The full throated effort. coming from the Leftists. to can Pruitt must mean that they are pissed of at our new EPA head makes me laugh... That's so freaking funny... "Elections have consequences." - The community idiot.

    We could make a huge list of clowns 16 in all counting the head circus clown - 'Sir Gaffs-a-lot (Obama's VP) - that Obama had in his Cabinets.
     
  11. oragator1

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    Glad you aren’t into labels.
     
  12. Gatorrick22

    Gatorrick22 VIP Member

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    Do you think the last head of the EPA was competent? Did you call for that person to be fired after dumping 3 million gallons of TOXINS into the Colorado river? C'mon man, get honest with yourself about that clowns incompetence... Pruitt has done noting to warrant dismissal. Other than undoing all of Obama BS... :):D:eek:
     
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  13. oragator1

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    The head of the epa wasn’t the one on th crew in Colorado who accidentally dug too far and caused the breach. If you want to ultimately blame the guy at the top for the mistake of a single crew out of thousands of jobs they did in his tenure that’s your prerogative, but ultimatly there’s a world of difference between someone trying to protect the environment and someone who has spent his life committed to tearing down the regulations that do just that somehow being put in charge of protecting them.
     
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  14. Gatorrick22

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    Always someone else's fault. I blame the clown who authorized it to begin with. Oversight is what that job entails as his/her main responsibility.
     
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  15. oragator1

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    Activities like th Colorado mine happen all the time under every administration. But by that logic, there is a whole lot Trump owns. I have been told repeatedly about all the things trump didn’t know because he wasn’t directly involved with his subordinates behavior, guess we have to rethink that.
     
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  16. beanfield

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    Link?
     
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  17. oragator1

    oragator1 Premium Member

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    Link for what? The day to day workings of the epa? I wasn’t saying spills happen all the time, but that a large part of their job is to monitor and maintain hazardous sites, work on those types of sites happen regularly and always has (and will). Ric was trying to blame the admin for authorizing it, which A- he almost certainly didn’t outside of a larger budget or work request, and B- even if he did, the work needed to be done, e dicenced by what the accidental result was had it not been properly maintained.

    The fact that a worker made a mistake is awful. but it is hardly representative by itself of terrible leadership. The terrible leadership was when they were allowed to pollute to the level it needed a dam to protect everyone downstream in the first place.

    And again, the real point here is that somehow the idea of putting in someone who’s life goal has been to cut environmental regulation and the EPA’s infulence in charge of the epa is a slap in the face to everyone who works there and everyone who cares about their mission.
     
  18. beanfield

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    Links to Donald Trumps administration to environmental disasters. Please provide...
     
  19. oragator1

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    huh? Again, it wouldn’t matter if there had or hadn’t been in small numbers not related to policy - that’s the point, but there has. This was in the last few weeks, thankfully it was someplace remote and not on a watershed or would have gotten much larger coverage, smaller spills than this on waterways have caused governors to declare states of emergency.

    Trucks haul 1,400 tons of contaminated soil from Fort Peck Reservation oil spill site

    Stuff happens, hopefully they learn from whatever was missed pre winter or not done post winter. If it becomes a pattern or is related specifically to policy (like the admin rolling back the protections after deepwater), then it’s a different discussion.
     
  20. beanfield

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    O.K. ....