ICE related shooting in Minneapolis

Alex Jones’ batshit crazy ass warned about all the stuff happening in the world right now for years. The only problem is it ended up all happening on the side he’s on, lol.

 

For being a Yale law graduate, dude sure does know jack shit about the law. Honestly, though, he absolutely knows better and just likes to gaslight the American public because he’s an awful human being.

 

So Charlie Kirk gets shot in the throat and all we hear is that his WORDS incited hate and he deserved it.

Juxtapose that to This lady,
Who apparently spends her time driving from location to location illegally obstructing ice operations. ….yes you can peaceably protest but you can’t obstruct…..so she spends her injecting herself into active operations with the culmination of her committing a felony the second her car touched the LEO and all we hear is all the things the federal officer should have done differently.

 

Kirk wasn't killed by LEO. Apples and oranges.

 

mikie- it is really very simple- all she had to do was comply- instead she refused the officers request and then sideswiped him and as you would expect, she lost her life- it was not caused by the officer but by the woman's poor decisions- while sad for her loved ones, she brought it all on herself

 

you’re right. CK couldn’t avoid his death via good decision making. This lady had multiple opportunities to alter the outcome and each time she chose to go deeper. Again culminating with her committing a felony right before she was shot. She got brainwashed and paid the ultimate price.

and I have been consistent because when babbit was shot I said the exact same Thing. She got emotionally caught up and made a series of poor decisions that led to her paying the ultimate price.

 

Im for policing against illegal immigration. I can understand why someone feels impassioned about social causes and why they would want to be an activist for a cause they believe in. You can also believe in enforcement while disagreeing with methods of enforcement.

What I don't understand is how grown men and women believe these methods are effective or productive. College kids I can understand but there are better ways to organize concerted efforts to force change than whatever it is they are doing.

 

She was not shot for teasing ICE or monitoringniCE that narrative is dangerous and needs to end. This was her third stop off the day (supposedly) and she wasn’t shot at any of the other ICE monitoring and harassing places.
She wasn’t shot shot when her wife said drive baby drive and she hit the accelerator with an officer right in front of the car.
The idea that she didn’t hit him or only grazed him is also flawed. She certainly was a threat to hit him and that’s all that was needed in that split second. I wish he had t shot her. I wish it had been different. But SHE put herself in that situation and escalated the issue when she listened to her wife, tried to run from the officers and hit that accelerator.

 

And all the officer had to do was follow procedure and stand directly in front of an idling car. No chance of being hit, no feeling of danger.

And while she cannot obstruction the agents, she has a Constitutional right to be there and observe. Seems like the right doesn't like this fact? Does this mean you're not fans of the Constitution?

Constitutionally, ICE also has limited powers. And they are limited to immigration. ICE could have charged her with obstruction, but did they even try politely asking her to move first? Or did they scream for her to move before aggressively approach and attempt to extract her from her vehicle? A move, I might add, ICE cannot normally do to citizens.

 

Here’s the thing. Either immigration is a federal Issue or it’s not. The Obama admin sued Arizona to reaffirm its a federal issue. So when states attempt to circumvent that and create these sanctuary cities this is exactly what you get.

https://www.reuters.com/article/wor...s-arizona-over-immigration-law-idUSTRE6653Q3/

Obama administration sues to block Arizona immigration law

 

I agree with most everything in this post but the point on the murder of Ashli Babbitt. While you are correct that she could/should have chosen to avoid the 1/5/21 demonstration, the circumstances of her death were substantially different than those of the justifiable shooting of Good. While Good was asked to stop and exit the vehicle she chose to use as a weapon against an ICE agent …… Babbitt was entering another part of the capital with Capital Police standing in close proximity to her. These police made no attempt to stop her from entering another part of the capital building. Further, she posed no threat to the officer that decided to shoot her.

 

JMHO. both deaths could and would have been avoided had both chosen to stay on the periphery and engaged in legal and peaceful protest. Unfortunately both got emotionally overwhelmed/caught up and entered the fray and paid with their lives. Again. JMHO

 

If ice is to blame for anything, it’s not arresting her earlier that day while she was chasing them around town…
Law enforcement is softer because of democrats pressure and it causes people more harm when they think they have leverage…
Some people don’t realize the danger they put the officers and themselves in.
She should be in jail, not dead.

 

“The cop shouldn’t have been standing in front of her car.”
— the people who are trained to stand in front of cars —

 

Below is when cop overreacted and decided to kill this woman. And his decision to shoot her in the face is based on below.
which maga apparently supports.

WSJ…

 

Immigration is 100% Federal. Since San Francisco first declared itself a sanctuary city in 1978, the Constitution is clear that local LEOs do not have to help Feds. All local LEOs need to do is not obstruct. This is a jurisdiction issue.

And the reason why cities and states declare themselves sanctuaries is to help local LEOs do the job they are chartered to do. Which is catch local criminals and prevent local crime. In areas with a large immigrant population, local LEOs find more success when the local population know the local police doesn't cooperate with Fed immigration enforcement. As a result, multiple studies like this one show sanctuary cities are safer than non sanctuaries of similar size.

Speaking of jurisdiction, ICE has restrictions. They generally cannot do anything to citizens. ICE can pull over a car, but if the car contains citizens or legal residents, ICE must release the vehicle.

With Ms Good, ICE may have been able to charge with obstruction. But why rush out of their vehicles and aggressively attempt to force her out of the car? If she was obstructing, why not ask her to move first?

Last, the officer that stood directly in front of her car broke both good police practices and ICE protocol. No good reason to stand in front of an idling car, is there? He also broke the rules with his 2nd and 3rd shots. Good was clearly passing him and the shots went directly into the driver's side window. At this point, there's no danger to any agent and at worst, Good was attempting to leave.

 

It definitely applies. He was able to move out of the way, and when he shout he was already out of the path of direction of travel. He also went against guidance three times by walking in front and behind the vehicle.

 

I am leaning heavily to the FAFO side on this issue when it comes to the agitators. I do, however, think it is a shame that kid(s) have lost their mom. Additionally, now they might have even more reason to hate our country and LEOs than their mom(s) might have already instilled in them. I have no reason to believe that she was a terrible abusive or sadistic mom, so I do have sympathy for the most likely innocent kid(s).

 

man there is a lot of IF and buts and candy and nuts in your post. All is avoided if she follows the law and peaceably protests out of the way of ICE. Once she crossed that lexicon of legal/ illegal she allowed herself be in the world of split second decisions good and bad deciding life or death. The last thing she did before she died was commit a felony. But sure….Had the LEOs transportation broken down on the way to rally point maybe none of this happens.

and to stay consistent. Had Ashley Babbitt gone to Starbucks and then the gym or stood on sidewalk with a sign and screamed obscenities, she’d be alive too

 

Calling a decision “bad”, or someone not following a cops orders is not an authorization to kill that person