ICE related shooting in Minneapolis

Reading some of these comments (from self-proclaimed experts on the matter) about the ICE agent's action ...... it's amazing how some will second guess his actions after they've had the benefit of sitting at a keyboard for hours watching videos frame-by-frame (and some quite possible AI modified by the anti-ICE crowd) of the incident. It's sad those folks lack the objectivity and intellectual capacity to understand the ICE agent didn't have the same benefit.

Some people are truly sad.

 

Exactly. The Commie/Jihadi/Dems are insane and have lost all understanding of how to abide by any law... anarchist/nihilists.

 

I'm sorry if it offends you when bad behavior by law enforcement is called out as bad behavior. They deal with dangerous situations every day. That's why they're trained on how to handle them properly, how to avoid unnecessary escalation, and how to avoid putting themselves in danger. The average citizen is dumb and prone to panic in these situations which is why there's a higher burden on law enforcement to handle them properly.

The officers had every opportunity to avoid this tragedy from unfolding:

• The woman was blocking the street. Not an imminent threat to anyone. They could have gone around her (like the vehicle before) or they could have called the local cops. Yes, she was very likely obstructing them and committing a crime, but it's literally the job of law enforcement to deal with people committing crimes!
• Instead, they approach her vehicle in an aggressive manor, yelling profanities at her, and immediately trying to open her door to rip her out of the vehicle.
• The officer who shot her should not have positioned himself in front of the vehicle. This wasn't a hostage situation or an FBI Top Ten Most Wanted criminal where it was imperative to prevent her from leaving the scene.
• He was able to see through the windshield that she was reversing and then turning the wheel to move forward. He was able to get out of the way safely, and did. By drawing his gun he only put himself in more danger by delaying his ability to get out of the way of the vehicle.
• He also continued to fire through the side window when he was not in any danger whatsoever.
• They refused to allow a doctor to check on her wounds and potentially provide life saving care

We already know there's not going to be a real investigation because Trump, Noem, Vance, etc. have already made it clear that they've made up their minds and are blaming the victim. It's that type of tone from the top that gives officers impunity to act like this and will result in more situations like this. Quite honestly, it's an insult to law enforcement to have zero expectations for them to handle these situations in a professional manor and do their jobs the right way.

 

This you?

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

 

The Left thinks they can literally riot in the face of Federal Agents with impunity. FAFO!

 

It's not true. I don't like to see any life taken especially when it could have been avoided. Almost every person killed by law enforcement could have been avoided if they just listened to the officers, yes, we have a very small percentage of cops that abuse their authority.

 

The irony of accusing anyone of looking at it “frame by frame” to cast judgement or to 2nd guess, is that truly the shooter would have to rely on that type of analysis to find a few frames where his life “may” have been in danger for a split second (which sadly under the current rules would probably get him off even under the unlikeliest of prosecutions). It also relies on the crazy lie the woman was a domestic terrorist.

Anyone just looking at that video as it is in real time without assumptions or crazy lies as to the driver’s ill intent, would wonder WTF those “law enforcement” officers were doing even approaching in that manner when the woman clearly and calmly waved them to go around (just as their 1 vehicle did).

 

You could generally say the same for the cops though, that if they “did things differently” they wouldn’t have to take a life.

600 people are killed annually by police, the media only covers a few. Obviously among the 600, some number are probably armed and 100% legitimately unavoidable. But those don’t generate much discussion because they are obvious. When police kill unarmed individuals because of mistakes (such as knocking on the wrong house) or their aggression kills an unarmed individual then of course it’s right to question the legality of their actions.

 

That sounds a lot like an irrational expectation.
I have a realistic expectation on who is possibly behind the badge…people are just people.
It’s an unusually tough job and it seems to have become more dangerous by the hour…especially as democrats demand police act like social workers while dealing with thugs and criminals.

 

I think its been closer to 1000 a year since 2013 ... that is a low estimate

 

Its not just Democrats who demand cops act like 'social workers.' We have outsourced all sorts of things to law enforcement ... like dealing with the mentally ill for example. Cops are/have to be social workers, because we don't fund social workers in this country. Perhaps we could change that, put people and cops in less danger.

 

Is it irrational to expect people whose job requires handling a gun to be properly trained. Not only how and when to use it, but how to deescalate situations so that use of said gun is minimized because it isn't needed?

ICE made several mistakes. They are the ones with guns. And because of ICE's mistakes, a woman is dead. Should we hold nobody accountable because we have high expectations?

And for those saying she should have just followed orders, which ones? The ones to leave and go, which ICE officers screamed at her first? Or to stop and get out of her car, which ICE sreamed at her a mere seconds later? Is it too much to expect ICE to also give clear and reasonable demands too?

 

Oh now you’re a Christian?
Or just mocking those with a different view.

 

I get what your saying but I don't agree.
Cops are forced to be on guard at all times when we ignore them and try to run or do our own thing we automatically put them in defense mode causing them to protect the surrounding community therefore most occurrences with a law enforcement could be stopped by just following the law

 

Oh I think he knows this. These guys abhor authority and they despise anything Trump.

 

It’s a pretty self explanatory image

 

That’s what I thought. I’m sure you think it’s clever.

 

That is an intriguing response. I would be curious what measures of "keep your cool" we might not agree on. Simply, that was my way of saying you have to let it happen. You can try civil discourse, but you cannot resist. Any sort of resistance is a form of escalation, and that will only lead to bad things happening to you (now, it's quite possible that you could *win* in the end with a lawsuit or something like that, it could also lead to results that nobody would consider a *win*, but the point is about whether or not you can actually get out of the situation that you are in). I'm not saying you have to like it; I'm not saying you can't challenge it in a greater capacity after the fact. Just saying that you're not going to win that battle, in that moment, by being physically confrontational (and probably not verbally confrontational either).

It is 100% not an either or. This thread would be significantly more productive if those on the right only commented on what ICE could have done better in this situation and those on the left only commented on what the driver could have done better in this situation...but that's not what we do here. I know it's not explicitly a partisan issue, but there appears to be some level of divide in that regard. I look at it like this, if that were my kid potentially as a driver in this situation, would I advise him to do what the driver did? If that were my kid going to pursue somebody as ICE in this situation, would I advise him to do any of what all of those agents did? What are you doing with the variables you have most direct control over?

In my opinion, I think they each freaked out and panicked roughly the same. The difference is in not who kept their cool more, the difference is in who had greater access to kill as a result of their panic (firearm > vehicle in this case). I can believe that the driver was scared and didn't know what to do; but that doesn't make what she did do an acceptable option. I can believe that the officer was scared and felt threatened for bodily harm if not a fear for his life; but that doesn't make what he did an acceptable option. I don't really care whether people blame mostly the officer or the driver. It's not an either or, who is more at fault isn't relevant from a "we can do better than this" perspective. You simply define what each side can do better and push for those changes. If you see that as 80%/20% and somebody sees that as 20%/80% - does it really matter? If you're looking to define a penalty for the shooter, I understand how there's room for debate about how much of this was the shooter's fault (and/or his team's fault or however you want to identify the relevant parties).

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