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Hush money documents unsealed

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by rivergator, Jul 18, 2019.

  1. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    Indicating Trump's full involvement. So if Cohen was guilty of a crime ...

    Trump regularly talked to Cohen during hush-money negotiations

    FBI tied Donald Trump and top aides to 2016 effort to silence a porn star, new court files show
     
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  2. Gatorrick22

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    I thought we went over this and found that there is nothing illegal about it?
     
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  3. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    Isn't that why Cohen is in jail? Must be something illegal involved.
     
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  4. grumpygator77

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    And of course it only matters whether or not trump did anything illegal since the morality issues are of no importance to anyone. :rolleyes:
     
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  5. boligator

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    Ah yes...the party of "family values"...just further goes to show that the evangelical crowd that support him as well as his "God, country and family first" base are the quintessential definition of hypocrites.
     
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  6. OaktownGator

    OaktownGator Guardian of the GC Galaxy Moderator VIP Member

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    I am pretty sure they used campaign funds, so this would be campaign finance fraud.
     
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  7. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    For the record, I don't want to see Trump indicted, jailed or impeached. Simply because of the turmoil it would cause this country. Let's recognize who and what he really is, vote him out. Then charge him with crimes if there's a reason. Don't charge him if there's not.
     
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  8. OaktownGator

    OaktownGator Guardian of the GC Galaxy Moderator VIP Member

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    If a President isn't impeached for repeatedly obstructing an investigation into an attack on our country (among his other issues/crimes), when will a President get impeached?

    If we don't impeach, we essentially put the Presidency above the law and have no reason to expect future Presidents to behave within the law, or to respect our Constitution, as this President clearly does not.

    He should be impeached, removed and sentenced according to his crimes. IMO.
     
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  9. uftaipan

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    As long as you’re pretty sure, that’s good enough for me. Start those proceedings, and let’s lock him up.
     
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  10. OaktownGator

    OaktownGator Guardian of the GC Galaxy Moderator VIP Member

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    Among other things, Cohen plead guilty to violating campaign finance laws in this case. With Trump directing him, that makes Trump guilty too. Of course, repeatedly obstructing justice into an investigation on an attack on our country would be a far larger issue.

    Live: Michael Cohen pleads guilty to 8 counts - CNNPolitics
     
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  11. mdgator05

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    Cohen is in prison and Trump was listed as an unindicted co-conspirator by the prosecutors.
     
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  12. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

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    The DOJ would have done so, without the issue that they cant indict a sitting President. Appears to be the only reason that he remains an unindicted co-conspirator in Cohen's crimes.
     
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  13. sovietgator

    sovietgator Lighten up Jan Brady (Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!!)

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    So devout! Don't you know that crucifix is just a big ol' T that stands for Trump?!
     
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  14. GatorNorth

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    The evidence of Trump’s guilt as an unindicted co-conspirator of campaign finance fraud is crystal clear, the person with whom he conspired is sitting in jail after pleading guilty to the conspiracy.

    The only reason he’s not sitting next to Cohen is because he got elected after the conspiracy and benefits from a DOJ policy in his favor.

    Only a sycophant would see otherwise based on the evidence.

    It’s not difficult math. Cohen didn’t conspire with himself.
     
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  15. uftaipan

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    You’ve sold me. If only the House of Representatives, the sole institution in the U.S. with the power to impeach a president, wasn’t under the iron grip of the President’s party, maybe we could see justice. Why, if the Democrats only had control of the House, they would impeach today based on the evidence and legal argument you’ve constructed here today. I can’t think of a single reason they wouldn’t.
     
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    Mitch says hi, remember me.
     
  17. uftaipan

    uftaipan GC Hall of Fame

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    As you should already understand, Mitch isn’t involved in impeachment. His organization has a very different role. If the House has the evidence that some people in this thread seem to think, then it should start impeachment proceedings. If the suggestion here is that the Senate would, purely for political reasons, not convict, then that’s not good enough. If the crimes and evidence are real, then the House has a duty to impeach, irrespective of what it anticipates the Senate will do. After that impeachment, we can discuss as naseum what the Senate’s duty is.
     
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  18. gtr2x

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    Actually, I understand the process quite well, nice condescending line tho.

    As for the Senate duties, there is no debate. It's quite clear what their duties are. However, I think the following trump quote fits their mind set quite well.
    "I could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn't lose any votes".
    Senate won't convict.....period.
     
  19. G8trGr8t

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    I can see the dems trying to form a case and then using it to convince trump that it is in his, or his associates/family best interests not to run again. That leaves the pub party going from bowing before a loudmouth, offensive bigot to not even having a viable candidate for 2020. Best possible scenario is he decides to not run again. Although I wouldn't mind seeing enough pub senators be convinced by irrefutable evidence to convict. Past time for members on both sides to break ranks on some things. Our gubmnt is now 3 people with each party member doing what their leader says
     
  20. RayGator

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    The Democrats have control of the House.