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How messed up is our healthcare system?

Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by oragator1, Feb 17, 2020.

  1. altalias

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    Yes, I said black. Racists don't look at him and make a distinction.

    That's the same dumb argument people make when they insist on capitalizing his middle name. It's disingenuous.
     
  3. VAg8r1

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  4. gatorpa

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    Not really are you anti-science?
     
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  5. nolancarey

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    Please elaborate on the inclusion of this new weird question.
     
  6. citygator

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    My coworker spends $25k a month on a single medicine for his daughter with a rare ailment. We pay more to cover his insurance than he makes in a year.
     
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    The key statistic. We pay MUCH MORE that other comparable countries without better results. How is this not the starting point for every discussion?
     
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  9. AndyGator

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    With a potential pendemic in the US, I imagine health care will only get worse this year. I suspect costs will be way more than 8.5 Billion dollars. I am wondering who will be paying for that additional costs :oops:
     
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    And cosmetic surgery is one of the few types of medical procedures in which there is actual price competition.

    Actually, we're not number one
    Plastic Surgery Worldwide: Which Countries Nip And Tuck The Most?
     
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  11. gatorpa

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    to some degree. But because it's elective the plastics guys all kinda charge about the same. And there is no negotiating the prices with the surgery center or the anesthesia guy.....
     
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    I'm thinking of moving to one of those countrys where you get free healthcare.
     
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    In what country is that? As a point of information this is a room in a Canadian hospital where the unfortunate citizens are forced to suffer under a single payer system.
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    Don't know, the piece I got the photo from says Cuba but it wasn't a reliable source so I'm not gonna make that claim.
     
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    I see a whole lotta' countries there benefiting from the veil of security our military provides.

    Let's invoice them their proportional share, then apply those proceeds towards our healthcare system...I suspect we could offset costs pretty significantly then!

    (...and I'd also bet they wouldn't be able to sustain their *free* health care systems either...).
     
  16. 92gator

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    Well, mexico and Canada can sell pharms cheap, b/c they didn't have to front the jack to develop those awesome meds (nevermind the military needed to keep their markets safe n secure).

    Yo ho yo ho, a pirate's life for me...
     
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    Pharma companies spend more advertising their wares than on R&D for new meds.

    A report from the California-based Institute for Health and Socio-Economic Policy stated that in 2015 out of the top 100 pharmaceutical companies by sales, 64 spent twice as much on marketing and sales than on R&D, 58 spent three times, 43 spent five times as much and 27 spent 10 times the amount [3].Mar 13, 2018

    Pharmaceutical company spending on research and development ...
    www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › pmc › articles › PMC584852


    It aint the R&D. Must be something else
     
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  18. altalias

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    Did you see Les Invasions barbares? It was the sequel to The Decline of the American Empire and was the first Canadian film to win best foreign language picture.
    Part of the plot is the father, the socialist hero of the story, is dying and his son, Sebastian, comes to visit before his death.
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    The father and son travel to the U.S. state of Vermont to briefly receive medical care before returning to the overcrowded and disorganized Quebec hospital. (From World Socialist Website, "We are presented … with the impractical, womanizing Rémy who refuses to travel to an American hospital on nationalist grounds and because he voted for a government-run health care system and therefore will “take the consequences.”) Sébastien attempts to bribe hospital administration for better care.
    (Also from the World Socialist Website)
    The opening shot conducts us through the corridors of Rémy’s hospital. The facility is a terrifying catastrophe, with patients lying on gurneys in the hallways amidst the disorder of construction work. The doctors and interns appear exhausted and demoralized. This is the ‘nationalized’ health care system at work.

    Now the World Socialist Website blames capitalism for the failure but it still describes a failing system

    Why do you suppose a, Trump hating, Social activist director would describe the utopian Canadian system like that?
     
  19. rivergator

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    51's photo is from Haiti.