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Hong Kong Street Protests - China extradition

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by citygator, Jun 10, 2019.

  1. CaptUSMCNole

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    This is not going to make the Chinese Communist Party officials happy:



    This could get really bad, really fast. The Chinese leaders get completely insane about their sovereignty and will not tolerate any challenges to it.
     
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  2. G8trGr8t

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    This isn't going to end good for the protestors. No longer separate, no longer equal. Taiwan must be worried in the long term.

    China media says Hong Kong protesters are 'asking for self-destruction' as military assembles nearby

    • Chinese propaganda outlets warned on Tuesday that protesters in Hong Kong are “asking for self-destruction,” as they released a video showing military vehicles amassing near the border of the city.
    • President Trump later tweeted that U.S. intelligence had informed him that Chinese troops were being moved to the Hong Kong border.
    • The city’s leader, Carrie Lam, told the press on Tuesday that “lawbreaking activities in the name of freedom” were damaging the rule of law and that the Asian financial hub’s recovery from anti-government protests could take a long time.
    Her comments came after Beijing said widespread anti-government protests in the semi-autonomous city showed “sprouts of terrorism,” and such violence must be severely punished, “without leniency, without mercy.”
     
  3. CaptUSMCNole

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    The Chinese government is starting to sound like it did in ‘88. They are going to overreact and it could cause some major upheavals.

    I would start shorting some Chinese stock if able.
     
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  4. 96Gatorcise

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    Begging for rights and freedom like America

    Yet there are Americans that want our rights taken away or curtailed. We should be expanding our freedoms not restricting them.


    (turn on the sound)

     
  5. danmann65

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    I dont know their control of information is almost absolute. I hope you are right but after Tiananmen allwentback to normal.
     
  6. CaptUSMCNole

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    Not in Hong Kong and there weren’t satellite comm available in ‘88 in Tiananmen.
     
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  7. G8trGr8t

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    You dont think China can shut phone/internet down in Hong Kong like India did in Kashmir?
     
  8. CaptUSMCNole

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    I don’t think they can do it fast and completely enough for videos not to get out. In ‘88 everyone was not carrying around a video record in their pocket. Even if they shut the comms down, they are not going to be able to grab every phone from every witness.
     
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  9. danmann65

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    It all depends on how far our technology masters have chased the money. If they can turn off Google as easily as I think they can, who knows how far it goes and I am an optimist.
     
  10. gtr2x

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    If this gets worse and China intervenes militarily, hard to envision how this wouldn't have a negative impact on world wide markets, not just China stocks. Hong Kong is a major economic center that would be shaken, at least in the short run.
     
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  11. duchen

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    So far, no pro democracy statements by POTUS about the Hong Kong or Russian protests. No surprise really.
     
  12. gatorpa

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    So for once he isn't going in half cocked trying to inflame a situation and that's bad?
    Or do you believe he is anti democracy?
     
  13. rivergator

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    No, it's a very good thing.

    I think he's pro-Trump.
     
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  14. Gatorhead

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    rick - completely agree. Frankly I expected the Chinese to make the move sooner regarding taking over Hong Kong.

    Certainly no surprise given the pattern we are seeing from them.

    The fact is China is moving on several fronts in that part of the world: Militarization of the S China Sea and that part of the pacific.

    They are at odds with the Philippines, Vietnam
    and other countries over territorial disputes.

    They are investing HEAVILY in Africa and the so called Silk Road initiative has HUGE implications for the economic and political power structures in that part of the world.

    Sooo… Your right, why anyone is "surprised" by what is happening shouldn't be.

    I agree with several posters that this will only turn out bad and become a bloodbath. (See Tiananmen Square)

    I find it particularly appalling that the police / military are "shooting the eyes out" of protestors.

    That what the Communist Chinese do, my way or the AK47 way.

    Taiwan (Formosa) only exists because of the threat of direct American intervention.

    Wonderful World right?
     
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  15. CaptUSMCNole

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    It’s closer to China’s way or you get two in the back of the head and no one ever hears from you again and people know better than to ask.

    In addition to what you point out, China will do business with anyone, no matter how bad their record. China’s big thing is they don’t question anyone’s sovereignty and they don’t tolerate anyone questioning theirs.

    There is a great book about China called the 100 year plan and it talks about how China sees itself replacing the US as the World’s Great Power and they think they are close to achieving it but they have to keep the country together long enough to achieve it. They are terrified of a general uprising of the people that foreign governments might back, so they tend to overreact when they see a threat like that.
     
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  16. mdgator05

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    He isn't pro-democracy. I don't know if he is anti-democracy, as that requires a level of theoretical thinking that I am not sure he is capable of displaying. Authoritarianism appeals to his instincts, which is all that matters to him. But he speaks more negatively of democratic countries and leaders than he does of non-democratic leaders, in general.
     
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  17. duchen

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    He should stand up for democracy. For The protestors.
     
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  18. RayGator

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    Never have.
     
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  19. demosthenes

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    I don’t care what your political persuasion this should be a saddening turn of events.
     
  20. gatorpa

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    One problem for China is as more if their population moves from poverty to more middle class they will want more. More of a say in things will be an issue. When you aren't spending all day working to survive you have more time to consider other issues.