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Here's how Bernie is going to pay for all his plans.

Discussion in 'GatorNana's Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by OklahomaGator, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. VAg8r1

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    Bernie is what I call a "Brigadoon Democrat". As a point of information, Brigadoon was a musical about a mythical Scottish village that would magically appear every 100 years. Bernie Sanders is a politician that has a 40-year history of running for office as a Socialist/Independent except during presidential election years when he magically transforms into a Democrat.
     
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  2. hoyt233

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    Why is Bernie allowed to run when he is an independent and not a member of the democrat party?
     
  3. VAg8r1

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    If the Democrats hang on to the House and I believe that they will, it will not be because of Bernie but in in spite of him. The Democrats didn't regain control of the House in 2018 because of candidates like AOC, Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib. It's because they were able to flip previously Republican held seats with moderate candidates like Conor Lamb, Elaine Luria and Abigail Spanberger, and those are candidates most likely to separate themselves from the Bern's campaign. And Donna Shalala, who flipped a previously Republican district in South Florida is already criticizing Bernie's position on Cuba.
     
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  4. wgbgator

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    Ok, but a general election is in no way comparable to the fundamentals of a midterm. So, I don't see how this is all that instructive. Ultimately negative partisanship rules now, Dems will vote for Dems up and down the ballot, same for Republicans. Independents may split votes, but ultimately they are also predisposed to support one party over the other, so they are largely going to do that up and down the ballot too. And really anyone that beats Trump will probably lose the House in the midterm, that's just how it goes. All those moderates will get wiped out under President Joe Biden or Bernie in 2022. And its people like AOC, Omar and Tlaib that will continue to be the influencers, not the Lambs and Spanbergers.
     
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  5. cocodrilo

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    I haven't really thought about it. Just some pundits talking who are supposed to know their stuff. Offhand I don't see how Bernie could beat anyone in a general election, but then how is he getting all these votes? I also don't see how Trump could beat anyone in a general election, at least the second time around, since our worst fears about him have been realized. So I actually don't know what the hell to think about this election. I don't know what the hell to think about America. I don't even recognize it as the country I knew. (Or thought I knew.)
     
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    That's why I found his demands to the party to be so hollow in 2016. He's not a Democrat but wanted to tell the party how to conduct its primaries.
     
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    Were it not for the Lambs and the Spanbergers, AOC and her squad would be high profile members of the House minority party with virtually no power at all to influence policy. Their votes would be meaningless and at best they would be the equivalent of MSNBC talking heads.
     
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  8. g8trjax

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    Yep, whatever BS dollar figure he's pushing now in reality will be exponentially higher.
     
  9. WarDamnGator

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    Probably less costly than what they are currently contributing to health care, if they provide it.
     
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    You are assuming all those voters will turn out again.

    If it is Sanders how many Democrats will stay home? There's a disconnect with Sanders and the moderate Democrats.

    Odds are the people who show up to vote for Sanders will vote straight Democrats, Trump voters, straight Republican.

    Given the current environment, Sanders is going to have to close that gap with moderate Democrats in order for Democrats not to lose the house.

    Trump's supporters are going to show up and vote so it's really a matter of how many moderate Democrats get out and vote at all. Even if the moderate Democrats vote for Trump they are likely to move back to straight Democrats after their presidential vote has been cast. 2020 is not setting up well for Democrats, they have a lot of work in front of them.
     
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    Also, on the personal side, 4% of my income sure sounds better than the 40% of my household income a "silver" family plan/deductible currently would cost me, if I still had insurance.
     
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  12. wgbgator

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    And when the Dems have a house minority again, Lamb and Spanberger wont even have votes lol, they'll have lobbyist jobs, probably for really awful interests.
     
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    Yeah, it would be hard to say without looking at the individual cases. Some companies offer none. Some offer a very very basic plan that the employee can pay extra to upgrade, and some offer quality expensive plans.
     
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    True ... Maybe they should give start ups an exemption for a few years, or a reduction in their percentage that builds up over time.

    But for me, 7.5% sounds like a bargain. I own a small and somewhat struggling business, I'm basically a sole proprietor with just myself and my wife on the payroll, up months and down months, but fairly low wages all around ... and I can buy a "silver" family plan off the exchanges for $2,700/mo and have the business pay for it ... Bernie's plan would cost my business less than $6000/yr.
     
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    Trump is paying for his plan by bankrupting the USA----
     
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    The scary part to me is not the "how do we pay for it?" solution. It's the "how do we administer it?" solution. Don't get me wrong, if anyone thinks these proposals by Bernie will pay for it, they deserve to have him as president, because those are pipe dream numbers. But the roll out and administration will no doubt be a clusterf*** for decades. And if there are any funding issues at all, look out.
     
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  17. GatorNorth

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    Don’t know, honestly.

    I don’t support a large portion of Bernie’s core platform but given my admitted abject personal disdain for Trump, and the unlikelihood of most of Bernie’s agenda ever passing, I could call a game day audible for Bernie as an anti-Trump vote rather than sit the POTUS election out.
     
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    That’s apples and oranges as to my 2016 vote. I didn’t vote for the safe moderate, I voted for the 3d party candidate instead. Many would call that a wasted vote but like I said earlier, I was hoping Johnson would get 10-12% if the vote so that a viable 3d party could start to emerge from infancy. His Aleppo comments guaranteed that wasn’t happening but I hung in there with him anyway.

    And yeah, sanders supporters are passionate and vocal. But they're only about 30% of the Dem vote to date. It’s not like he has a majority on his own or, even when combined with Warren’s votes, a plurality. He’s still a minority candidate (as they all are) until the field thins, which is when you may start to see people stay home. It’s not like turnout to date has been lights out.
     
  19. wgbgator

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    The vast majority of people who voted and will vote for Trump arent hat wearing, rally going MAGA chuds either.
     
  20. GatorNorth

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    Never said they were altho I’m missing what that has to do with my post that you quoted.

    living in suburban Atlanta I know plenty of successful, we’ll-educated folks who voted for him, and will again even though they don’t like him, especially if BS is his opponent.