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Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by GatorLuke, Oct 13, 2021.

  1. GatorLuke

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    Can a football team compete consistently for championships over a 20 year time period with a head football coach who is also either the OC or DC? When you go back 20 years, in college & the NFL, it is few and far between where the head coach is also the everyday coordinator and they win a title let alone multiple.

    I really like Dan Mullen. However, when you look at history, should he consider taking on the HC role only so he can focus on the details of all 3 phases of the game and not just focus on game planning the O? Is his time so focused and stretched as the OC he doesn’t spend enough time on the details of D and ST?
    If I did my research correctly, Florida State is the only college program who had a coordinator who also was the head coach calling the plays since 2000 to win the Natty. Not saying Mullen has no idea what’s going on with the defense or special teams, rather just suggesting based on history, being a head coach and full-time coordinator doesn’t seem like a sustainable long-term plan for success. Looks like you can have some very good teams, win some big games, but the teams in college who have shown the most long term success are those with a true head coach.
     
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  2. Bazza

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    I've always preferred having both a head coach and an offensive coordinator.

    The data you pointed out backs up the advantage of this.

    Additionally.....can you imagine having Steve Spurrier as our offensive coordinator and Dan stays on as head coach? Or vice-versa! :D
     
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  3. tilly

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    Dan didn't call the plays for a while. He took it back over a couple years back. Offense has been elite for the most part since.
     
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  4. thale410

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    It's simply about where the coach's strengths lie and does that coach hire the right guys to delegate responsibilities elsewhere.

    Mullen not acting as OC is a waste of a significant resource would be a major step backward. Problem is that DC and recruiting aren't exactly 'set and forget' status, and until they are the program is unlikely to reach its full potential.
     
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  5. GameTime1

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    When did he not call plays?
     
  6. WC53

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    It is about focus and the available time. When you get promoted, roles change. Coach subs to take over that role.
    Performing the role of OC, limits the head coaches time to spend on overall QC and management. A side effect is not firing your friends as you don’t have time
     
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  7. GameTime1

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    Good post. Mullen imo should hire someone like seider as his OC.
     
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    I think the point is Mullen should be the OC and get a better DC. Of course that is my personal interpretation for everything. ;)
     
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  10. tommyvee

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    Don’t they all call it together? Last year, I’m pretty sure Brian Johnson was calling the plays with input from the three amigos on every single play.
     
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    There is no way play calling by a committee all have QB run up the middle as half of their spinners;)
     
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  12. 1975Gator

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    I think it’s the other way around. That’s why Dan always has the cheat sheet
     
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  13. tommyvee

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    I know it is, but last year Dan finally trusted Brian to call the plays from what I recalled.
     
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    If he's not game planning and calling plays I think his value drops significantly. Being a true head coach at the level you are talking about is hard to tell with him.
     
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  15. Matthanuf06

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    If Mullen isn’t calling plays then what’s the point of having him as HC?

    He isn’t a top recruiter, game manager, motivator, assessor of talent, etc.

    He is an elite play caller.

    Take play calling away he is maybe a G5 head coach.
     
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    Pretty sure Steve called his own plays,...even for a period while at SC.
     
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    Yeah like I said.....would love to see him here as our offensive coordinator - for that reason alone! :)
     
  18. Bazza

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    Perhaps......he would be better at the things you mentioned......if he had more time & energy to spend on them.

    Division of labor kind of thing.

    I think that's the point of having more people helping out.....spread out the load......
     
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  19. GatorLuke

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    Good point and most agree offense is not his teams issues though. It’s really hard to point a finger on exactly why his teams look like they can hang with everyone (Bama & most of TN) then lose to KY and look subpar for a half against Vandy. There are pros and cons with both I guess. Just looking back at history, it says head coaches only are far more superior/successful than those who wear 2 hats.
     
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    Well that depends on what year their spinners are from...
     
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