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Haley Responds to Pelosi’s Climate Committee: Does Protecting God’s Creation Include Babies?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by flgator2, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. tarponbro

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    Would you rather have the baby be unwanted by its' mother after it's born? If we put all the babies who are saved by making abortion illegal do we have enough demand so that they're all adopted, or do we end up having a Romanian style situation with the babies that don't get adopted?
     
  2. tarponbro

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    I doubt it. Is the govt. going to provide all of the birth control free to these people?
     
  3. flgator2

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    The Gov't already gives some free birth control, I read an article a while back that stated you could go to the local health Dept. and they would help you apply for it.
     
  4. flgator2

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    YES.I never said it would be easy. But we have so many here in America that would love to adopt(not trying to get another subject started) our system makes it very difficult to adopt, that's why a lot choose to go to other countries. If we made it mandatory to be on birth control that would stop a lot of this. But the option of killing a baby is not even an option for me.
     
  5. VAg8r1

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    Question: Do you define a 6-week old fetus the size of a kidney bean as a "baby"? Keep in mind that the average gestational age for abortions is 8 weeks and less than one percent of all abortions are performed after the 20th week.
     
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  6. fredsanford

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    The GOP will yell and scream about brown people and abortion through 2020 because their plutocratic policies don’t help the bottom 98% at all but they still need the rube vote.
     
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  7. mutz87

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    It's a reasonable practice. Helps women/couples avoid unwanted pregnancies, and reduces abortions and health care costs.
     
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  8. MaceoP

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    There are quite a few people 'in the middle' who do not want to ban 1st trimester abortions, but who have a problem after that. IMO, the extremes on this issue are out of the mainstream.

    Although one would think that by definition the extremes would be out of the mainstream... Some of you act like there are only 2 positions, either totally against abortion in any form OR anything goes, including unfettered late term abortions.
     
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  9. Gatorrick22

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    That was funny...
     
  10. Gatorrick22

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    Trump did NOT create that problem of people trying to sneak into our country illegally, instead of at the broader crossings like every other legal immigrant has a chance to do... legally..

    We are not the world's police, and we are not the world's refugee camp. And comparing late term murder of babies to children and their families having to stay in their county of origin is not the same thing. NOT even close to it.
     
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  11. duchen

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    an abortion of a 6 week old fetus is not “killing a baby” according to many religions. Aborting an 8 or 9 month pregnancy only happens because the fetus will not live or the mother’s health is endangered and a live north is not an option. You prefer women carrying babies to suffer serious health problems or even die to an abortion on those circumstances. We get that from the utter lack of plosrs addressing real circumstances by you and others. Just sound bite comments from male posters.
     
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  12. duchen

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    Nobody here advocates unfettered late term abortions and the law does not provide for them.
     
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  13. Tjgators

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    Those children are alive and being taken care of no thanks to their parents and policies created by the Obama administration. Of course, if those parents would simply agree to return to their home countries, they would be immediately reunited with their children. The laws were made before Trump. If we had a wall none of it would be happening.
     
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  14. mutz87

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    Recognizing that late/later term abortions that might be medically necessary to save the life of or prevent the mother from harmful ill effects of giving birth is recognizing a reality of prenancy. That's not unfettered or anything goes; it is making it so professional medical decisions aren't unjustly criminalized.

    If anyone is treating it as only one of two choices it's those who are stridently anti-abortion, often willing to sacrifice the mother for an unborn fetus, under all circumstances, and worse, many of these folk are also against birth control, which can go a long way in making abortions unnecessary.
     
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  15. gatornana

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    Correction: these people entered our country legally to seek asylum.
     
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  16. Gatorrick22

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    I am not talking about the ones that overstayed their visas.. Also, Climate "change" is not the problem. What the problem is the liberals "solution" to it... It their so-called solution is nothing more than a TAX SCAM... As if all the other countries of the world live and "pollute" on another world/planet. :rolleyes:
     
  17. gator_lawyer

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    It's not difficult to adopt here because there's a shortage of babies. Enlarging the supply of unwanted babies doesn't solve that problem.
     
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  18. gator_lawyer

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    TJ, you're living in fantasyland again. Those parents have a right to seek asylum. Depriving them of their children because they exercise that right is evil. Of course, this administration rolled that policy back (because it was a policy, not the law) when it realized how deeply unpopular it is because the vast majority of people in this country don't make excuses for evil. And a wall would not end it. Please, join us in reality.
     
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  19. flgator2

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    You are wrong, we know of two families here in Gainesville that tried to adopt and they shared what they had to go through, one of them waited over 18 months and they finally gave up with the process. So you would agree with mandatory birth control if on Gov't assistance
     
  20. OaktownGator

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    If the adoption process is too difficult, it should be a high priority to make it easier... for capable, vetted parents.

    I suspect part of the problem is finding a balance between making the process efficient and affordable, and just handing orphaned children over to anyone willing to sign a piece of paper and hand over some cash.
     
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