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'Ghost guns' fuel epidemic of violence

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by rivergator, Nov 15, 2021.

  1. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    Components are not classified as guns, so there's no background checks, etc.


    ‘Ghost Guns’: Firearm Kits Bought Online Fuel Epidemic of Violence
     
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    Yeah but if you don't cross the streams you should be good.
     
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  3. VAg8r1

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    The solution is obvious, classify the components as "guns" for the purpose of regulation under federal statutes and regulations and while the solution is obvious it's obviously never going to happen thanks to the strength of the gun lobby. The sad truth is that in the US a significant percentage of the population believes that more deaths from firearms is a price worth paying for a broad interpretation of the Second Amendment.
     
  4. Gatorrick22

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    Cannot read the article.. The gist please..
     
  5. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    I know most can't read it. that's why I quoted four paragraphs. Guns are being made with components that are not regulated. Biden is trying to change that but is likely to run into opposition from guns rights groups.
    Here's another story from a gun safety group that shouldn't be firewalled.

    Untraceable: The Rising Specter of Ghost Guns | Everytown Research & Policy
     
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  6. Gatorrick22

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    Eventually they'll just use advanced air/CO2 pressurized systems to murder with. Killers will kill.

    The only thing we can do right now is to shut these sties that show the build kits. That is on the internet sites that carry that content. They should be closed down as fast as child porn sites.

    I know the biggest differences between these guns and legally purchased guns might be that they can attain one without the knowledge of the federal government. No serial number... no way to control the ownership of these weapons.

    And these guns seem to be made (mostly) for people with shady pasts. I wonder if these to defensed themselves in states that make it nearly impossible to buy guns.

    I wonder how many shop owners/keeper own these cheap and easy guns?
     
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  7. NavyGator93

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    You don't have to wonder, you can read the article. Looks like they are being sold all over the country and Cali, Florida and Texas have the most selling sites.
     
  8. Gatorrick22

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    I did read the article.. And I am stating my opinion on it...
     
  9. helix

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    So should I have to go to a dealer and fill out a 4473 to buy a billet of aluminum? What about a replacement trigger? A new slide? A replacement barrel? A set of taper pins? A spring? What is the controlling serial number if the serial numbers of the components don't match?

    What you propose is Biden's approach through AFT fiat, but it will have a TON of implication on not just the gun lobby, but consumers who can pretty easily find themselves on the wrong end of an already nonsensical and arbitrary set of firearms regulations.
     
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  10. helix

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    Many people manufacture their own handguns and rifles from 80% frames/receivers for the joy of doing it themselves. Others do it so that they can make their gun the exact way they want. There are also a good number who do it because they don't trust the government and just don't want big brother having a record of their gun somewhere should confiscation become a thing, but have no intention of any nefariousness. They are much more popular among the law abiding than the law breaking.

    The cat is also out of the bag on 3D printing frames and receivers, and I'm not sure you can ever stop that.
     
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  11. Gatorrick22

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    Just like printing money on printers used to be a thing, there are way to prevent printing guns. But I understand what you mean.

    I know what's going on with these new cheap guns, the powers in charge want this division to grow and to become more widespread...

    All part of the plan.
     
  12. VAg8r1

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    How about a receiver?
    Unfinished receivers,’ a gun part that is sold separately, lets some get around the law
    SAN FRANCISCO — It was John Zawahri’s failure to pass a background check that prevented him from buying a firearm in California several years ago. So the 23-year-old obtained an “unfinished receiver,” the metal piece that holds the critical mechanisms that allow guns to fire, and built an assault rifle himself. Last summer, he went on a rampage at a college in Southern California, firing about 100 rounds and killing five people before police fatally shot him.
     
  13. NavyGator93

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    The few sites I have seen with 80% have been pretty low quality, but maybe there are some good ones out there. I have been able to put together ARs exactly how I wanted them from high quality manufacturers that I would depend on when face to face with 30+ wild hogs. The bulk of the parts aren't registered, just the lower. Never saw that as a big deal, but then I don't buy into "gubmint gonna get my guns" hysteria. Been hearing that nonsense for decades.
     
  14. defensewinschampionships

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    Haven't tried an 80% yet. My cousin did one and it sucked hard, but don't know if that was his error or just a bad product.

    Do I believe there are some within government that want to come for my guns - yes.
    Do I believe it is going to happen - no.
     
  15. helix

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    At what point does a billet of aluminum or a piece of plastic become a receiver? As it sits today, unfinished receivers generally have to have significant material removed to be able to accept fire control group parts.

    For unfinished AR lower receivers, you have to mill out the pocket for all of the FCG parts to fit in, along with the holes for the pins to hold them all in.

    Unfinished polymer pistol lowers generally require drilling or dremeling out the barrel channel and the frame rails and drilling out the holes for the FCG pins and fitting in the metal rails that the slide will ride on.
     
  16. defensewinschampionships

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    I could do the same thing with a private transaction. Or from an inheritance.
     
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  17. helix

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    P80 Glock equivalents are generally easier to get good results with than 80% AR lowers. Many of the big outfits like Brownells and Midway sell the P80 Glock equivalents. Haven't looked hard enough at AR lowers to know too much about where to source them from, but they are definitely more involved. Other platforms have 80% frames too. p320 80% lowers are out there, as are 80% 1911s and even 80% P226s
     
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  18. NavyGator93

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    I would agree with that. My cynical side thinks the "gun grabbing government" hysteria is just a selling point for manufacturers.
     
  19. Gatorrick22

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    Yes, but you are a law abiding citizen... I think.
     
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