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For those defending White on offense

Discussion in 'Nuttin' but Net' started by hatter18, Jan 7, 2019.

  1. hatter18

    hatter18 Sophomore

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    Here he is during most crucial TO at end of game at a total loss for what to do staring at a sheet of notes. This happens a ton during in game situations as well where you'll see him staring at that sheet looking for answers instead of coaching. I know he's big into analytics, and that's fine, but at some point you have to coach your team. Finally Mincy starts trying to talk because White just keeps staring blankly at that sheet. There's no defending this. Period. He can't coach offense at this point. Needs help ASAP.

     
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  2. GboroGator

    GboroGator GC Hall of Fame

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    Why don't you just forward this to Stricklin and ask him to investigate? Better yet, take the video to MW's daily press conference and ask him yourself what he is doing during the timeout. Thanks again Coach Hatter.
     
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  3. akaGatorhoops

    akaGatorhoops VIP Member GC Columnist

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    So should he hire an assistant dedicated to offense, or one connected to aau circuit because he can’t recruit at this level?
     
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  4. grovegator83

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    You assume that there was no communication before the video or after. If they then called a set or play they normally run then the team should know what to do without a coach talking the entire time out.

    You are reverse engineering one situation to support a point, and I think you are trying to apply that to the offense in general....not that specific situation.
     
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  5. jmac83

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    In deference to the OP, the handling of that particular (and very critical) time out did not seem optimum at all. A LOT of time elapsed before the players got any guidance at all, and the assistant coaches seemed befuddled about whether they were supposed to be prepping the guys.
     
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  6. cincinnatigator

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    What a terrible coach this guy is.
     
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  7. cincinnatigator

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    The body language of the players is far more concerning. Not one syllable out of any of them. I'm guessing here but doesn't Jordan Mincy ask them "who wants it?" and not one of them raise their hand except Okauru behind them? At that point I would've put in Okauru.

    White is doing all he can to put some fire in these guys but it seems like he's recruited the extremely introverted personalities out of necessity over the past few seasons and it's really hurt us. Can't wait for Scottie Lewis and Tre Mann to get here.
     
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  8. hoyt233

    hoyt233 GC Hall of Fame

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    We already have a thread for Coach White-we don't need anymore troll clickbait.
     
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  9. akaGatorhoops

    akaGatorhoops VIP Member GC Columnist

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    This is a good point. In fact, you can see White drawing up a play as the camera pans away.

    That said, I do think he took way too much time studying whatever he was looking at, and not nearly enough time communicating with his team. Whatever analytics he was calculating, should have been done sooner or faster.

    Look - for all of my defense of the guy, Mike White is hardly a perfect coach. Far from it. But he is great for this program, and will do great things as he grows with the program.

    Though I am not comparing White to Donovan . . . I will remind people that the latter was very much critiqued for his tactical coaching abilities early in his career, and very loudly criticized during a stretch when he didn't get out of the tourney's first weekend 4 straight years.

    Mike White has and will continue to make mistakes. All young coaches do. Heck - so too do the old ones.
    But looking at the larger picture - Mike absolutely has the program on a great track. He is doing it the right way, and is now tearing up the recruiting trail.

    We are lucky to have him here.
     
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  10. OklahomaGator

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    Does CMW make mistakes? Of course he does, and every coach does, some more some less. The freshman this year and the class next year will make or break his career at UF.

    He already has run more successful in bounds plays than BD ever did in any 4 year span, even with the 04's. I remember the calls for BD to hire a defensive guy and now I think MW needs to hire an offensive minded assistant coach.
     
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  11. GatorKP

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    But he did draw up a great play. We got it into the hands of our worst offensive player, who also can't catch or hit free throws, so there's that :)
     
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  12. GolphinGator

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    It looked like to me he was talking the entire time while he was looking at the paper in his hand. You can see him pick his head up one time and his mouth was moving. Either way I am happy he is the coach.
     
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  13. GatorLurker

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    Too many posters are buying into the mythology of coaches drawing up plays out of nowhere and expecting perfect execution. It doesn't happen like that. Plays are practiced over and over again.

    Looking over the list of recently practiced plays before making a choice of which one to run doesn't sound like bad coaching to me.
     
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  14. gatorbogey

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    I see CMW conversing (with the players) as he’s looking at the sheet. Is the OP not able to see that?
     
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  15. harnettgator

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    At the risk of being further labeled by some here who already believe they can read my mind or those who might make some other assumption leap of counting me among those referenced in this thread's title (insert sarcastic eye rolling emoji here :rolleyes:), I'd like to humbly suggest that anyone interested becoming truly informed on this matter might check out the replay of today's SportsScene with Steve Russell show. The first hour today featured Mark Wise taking call-in questions. There's also a short phone interview with Assistant Coach Jordan Mincy to start the 2nd hour.

    You can watch/hear today's show and Mark's comments via WRUF's Facebook Live video replay (personally I detest FB but maintain an account for access to programming like this). Here's the link for anyone interested. Mark was pretty candid in his responses re the USCe loss Saturday in response to some tough questions from angry Gator fans. I found some of his comments re the team, especially regarding the differences between the young guys and the upperclassmen, quite interesting.

    Anyway, I think those comments and insights may be relevant to this discussion and debate regarding the reasons for offensive woes.
     
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  16. gatorbogey

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    Any specific highlights with Wise’s comments?
     
  17. g8wayg8r

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    How 'bout this for end of game strategy. Make your stinking free throws and its game over. High schools girls can shoot better.
     
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  18. SportsPsychGator

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    You gotta just listen to the whole thing. 'It's Gold, Jerry! Gold!'
     
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  19. number1

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    Well that certaintly explained how Hayes was the one that ended up with the ball last and subsequently on the free throw line. lol
     
  20. jmac83

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    I dunno. I am not trying to dive into grassy knoll territory here, but there are a couple of short instances where he could be mumbling to himself or he could be talking to the players, it's impossible to tell. All in all, it just doesn't look from an outside view like Mike was utilizing that timeout in a way that prepped the squad.