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Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by maxgator, Nov 26, 2023.

  1. uftaipan

    uftaipan GC Hall of Fame

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    Let me get this straight. You think all of those you just mentioned would still have had losing seasons with this team if they were in charge?
     
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  2. theycallmecoach

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    Since I know all of them personally and have seen them at work I would unequivocally say yes. (Or maybe 6-6!)

    Our cupboard is that bare!

    But they would win by year 4-5 as Napier will.

    No offense, have you ever coached anyone at a high-level sport?

    It is much harder than it looks!

    When I was a kid I thought that anyone could win at anything if they tried hard enough.

    Nothing could be farther from the truth.

    It takes great ability and herculean effort to get other people to win.

    It is one of the hardest things a person can do.

    I would rather do it myself a million times than try to get others to win.

    That is why cheating is so common in college and professional sports.

    Because coaching a winning team is very, very difficult.

    The higher up the ladder the more difficult it becomes.

    Everyone would love to win but very few ever do.

    And most people cheat if they can get away with it.

    That is a fact.

    It has been verified in study after study.
     
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  3. theycallmecoach

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    If that were true then no one would spend all their time recruiting.

    The teams with the best players win almost all the time.

    As a wise former UF coach (the Zooker) once said, "It is not the Xs and Os it is the Jimmy And Joes that win games!"

    You must give a new coach a chance to get those players because many of the better players leave during a transition.

    We lost a ton of players in the transition from Mullen to Napier. And had a change in schemes as well.

    McElwain probably adjusted as well as anyone. But he had a good recruiter before him in Muschamp.

    The only thing Muschamp could not seem to do was recruit QBs or let his one excellent QB loose to throw the ball.
     
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  4. Wanne15

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    That’s bullshit. The dead bear can’t beat Georgia with our roster. He probably couldn’t with Bama roster.
     
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  5. Wanne15

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    6-6 perhaps?
     
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  6. gainesvillegreen44

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    Omnipresent
     
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  7. theycallmecoach

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    Since it would have taken only one more win than Napier got to get to a bowl game you are talking about no difference. Just a little luck.

    But you are depending upon BS rankings and statistics which mean nothing at all.

    Just someone's opinion. Many blue chip athletes never become any good at all on the college level.

    And they did not under Spurrier or Meyer.

    Spurrier and Meyer both failed on the professional level.

    They won when they had the athletes on the college level. Meyer carefully chose where he coached to maximize that fact. And Meyer was dependent upon his OCs for success. Which is another reason why he got run out of the NFL.

    I love Urban Meyer but he picked his places and his OCs (and other staff) very carefully and was lucky.

    He repeated his success at Ohio State but ran out again as he lost his OCs.

    Success is very difficult to achieve long term.

    Only a few can and they pick their positions very carefully to maximize their chance for success.

    SOS admitted that he was a victim of his success at UF. People who did not understand football became more and more greedy and expected success all the time.

    They have that right but coaches get tired of it and move on.

    As Meyer did. The unreasonable expectations got to him, also.

    It is part of our nation's obsession with football and winning.

    And, unfortunately, probably gambling as well.

    I mean no one any disrespect but we like to back a winner because it makes us feel like a winner.
     
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  8. theycallmecoach

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    Zooker was just quoted as saying that we need to give Napier more time.

    He got shortcut which led to Meyer winning with Zooker's players.

    I am sure Spurrier would but he has a restaurant to run so he probably does not want to make anyone angry.
     
  9. steveGator52

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    At least 2-4 more wins. Better coaching gets us 2 more wins minimum.

    There were losses directly tied to undisciplined play and lack of attention to detail. Jumping the shield wall, 12 men on the field extending drives, having a special teams player determine when the FG team goes out on the field, questionable time management, etc.
     
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  10. g8trjax

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    Actually tackling somebody would be a big plus also...
     
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  11. theycallmecoach

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    There was no portal when Spurrier and Meyer coached. A big difference, especially for Spurrier who would have lost a good number of players to the portal.

    Meyer left UF because he could not beat Alabama with Saban.

    So, you would be 0 for 2 with coaching players up. The players would have left and taken the money to play under someone nicer than Meyer and Spurrier.

    A lot of people did not want to play for Spurrier or Meyer but there was difficulty in moving around when they coached. Not true now.

    Next!
     
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  12. Wanne15

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    Better coaching no doubt but it’s also up to the kids to absorb the coaching they are given. It’s understandable for young guys to make mistakes they have been coached on but by years 3 and 4 they should be catching on. Young teams always have more brain farts.
     
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  13. theycallmecoach

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    According to Gator Country (an excellent source), Napier is going to get a full opportunity to succeed so no one needs to worry.

    Speaking for the loyal Gator fans, we want Napier to succeed and he will.

    So, he will get sufficient time and all the support that he needs to be successful.

    I hope that it is ok that I copied and pasted this.

    Thank you, ETGator, who does a great job on Gator Country!


    ETGator said:
    Once again, I wanted to inject the fact that Coach Napier is NOT on the hot seat . . . despite all claims to the contrary. The difference between the UAA and big boosters (Bull Gators) and people that post on message boards, even our premium side, is huge. Almost universally it is understood what the complete rebuild would look like and those that SS listens to are happy to give Coach more time. However, carry on . . .
     
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  14. MarineG8R

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    Some serious turd polishing
     
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  15. archigator_96

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    As with most schools (UF included), the money will always be worked out.
    The issue is as it has always been. Who you gonna get? What coach out there is an absolute slam dunk, sure fired, stone cold lock for 11-2/12-1 seasons or better?
    If that coach existed, they would find the money and make it happen. One that coaches AND recruits (what a novel idea).
     
  16. Wanne15

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    Same thing semi fans said after year two of Norvell with a cakewalk schedule.
     
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  17. Wanne15

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    And which one of those coaches would have come to Tallahassee after Norvell was fired after two years? Tge answer is not a damn one unless you gave him a 75 mil buyout.
     
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  18. MarineG8R

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    All I read are a lot of excuses as to why Napier has had 2 back to back crappy seasons. I’m curious what next years will be. Tough schedule I guess.
     
  19. archigator_96

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    Next years is probably tougher than this years. We drop Utah, but pick up Miami. SEC wise we lose Vandy, S Car and Mizzou but add Tx. Ole Piss and Miss. St. Not exactly a swap for equal teams.
    Shit, even UCF as a "cupcake" isn't a gimme.
     
  20. gatorin1963

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    Having started at UF in 1963, I have frequently observed that every season is not what fans want. Ups and downs is reality.