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Florida Man responsible for Palisades fire

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ThePlayer, Oct 8, 2025.

  1. ThePlayer

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    29-year old delinquent Jonathan Rinderknecht from Melbourne, FL.

    On the evening of December 31, 2024, Rinderknecht was working as an Uber driver. Two passengers that he drove on separate trips between 10:15 p.m. and 11:15 p.m. that night later told law enforcement they remembered that Rinderknecht appeared agitated and angry.

    After dropping off a passenger in Pacific Palisades, Rinderknecht – who once lived in that neighborhood – drove towards Skull Rock Trailhead, parked his car, attempted to contact a former friend, and walked up the trail. He then used his iPhone to take videos at a nearby hilltop area and listened to a rap song – to which he had listened repeatedly in previous days – whose music video included things being lit on fire.

    At 12:12 a.m. on January 1, 2025, environmental sensing platforms indicated the Lachman Fire had begun. During the next five minutes, Rinderknecht called 911 several times, but didn’t get through because his iPhone was out of cellphone range. When he finally connected with 911, he was at the bottom of the hiking trail and reported the fire. By that point, a nearby resident already had reported the fire to authorities.

    Rinderknecht then fled in his car, passing fire engines driving in the opposite direction. He then turned around and followed the fire engines to the scene, driving at a high rate of speed. Rinderknecht walked up the same trail from earlier that night to watch the fire and the firefighters. At approximately 1:02 a.m., he used his iPhone to take more videos of the scene.

    Florida Man Arrested on Federal Criminal Complaint Alleging He Maliciously Started What Became the Palisades Fire
     
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  2. sierragator

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  3. ThePlayer

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    You won't believe this unless you live out here, but the max penalty is 20 years in California (min 5 years). o_O
    12 people were killed and 6800 structures destroyed (along with that peoples' entire careers and futures).
     
  4. sierragator

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    The laws need to be changed to increase the penalties for arson significantly. Someone who does things like this should never see the light of day again.
     
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  5. 92gator

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    "Florida Man" always seems to come from somewhere else, but we get the rap.
     
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  6. 92gator

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    He could face murder charges in Florida under felony murder doctrine (if it were a Fl case). Dont know if Cali has that though.
     
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    He was arrested on Federal Charges and is being prosecuted by a US Attorney.
     
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  9. uftaipan

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    Well, not a lawyer here, but why can't they add 12 counts of, say, negligent homicide?
     
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  10. wgbgator

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    There's a long chain of events between setting the fire on a nature trail and the people dying. He also called it in to 911 so there's that too. I dont know why a likely 20 years in a federal prison isn't enough for people. Its not a slap on the wrist or anything.
     
  11. sierragator

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    He will just do it again. He should be done walking around free.
     
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  12. wgbgator

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    You think he's going to walk out of prison at like 45-50 years old, and set another fire?
     
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    Twenty years might indeed be fair if that's the end result. I was responding to the assertion that he could only be charged with arson. I think the results of his arson, even though unintended, merit more serious charges. I would put it akin to the difference between a simple DUI with no crash and a DUI that results in an accident with multiple fatalities. The negligence committed by the accused was the exact same, but the consequences were more severe for the victim(s) and should also be so for the accused.
     
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  14. wgbgator

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    It seems like they charged a guy with involuntary manslaughter for the gender reveal fire that ended up destroying a bunch of property and firefighter died:

    Father in gender-reveal that sparked fatal 2020 California wildfire has pleaded guilty

    But I don't think they charged him with arson since it wasnt deliberate. I think ultimately the length of the arson sentence here will account for the involuntary deaths.
     
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  15. fwbgator

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    I would have to disagree with you on this one, he killed, most likely not on purpose, but still to the point, was responsible for killing 12 people.. Like if someone drank a lot, got in their car and hit another car, he didn't mean to kill anyone, but his actions led to the deaths of people.... As in this case, his actions led to the deaths of 12 innocent people, and were not even counting the millions upon millions of dollars of damage he did....
    He should be in that jail for the rest of his life...
     
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  16. sierragator

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    Can you guarantee he won't?
     
  17. wgbgator

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    The chain of events of you getting in a car drunk and hitting a person is a lot different than a person setting a fire in a nature area, it getting out of control due to a variety of unpredictable circumstances and it eventually resulting in deaths and extensive property damage. I think trying to make one guy the scapegoat for all the other failures, natural forces and events that happened after is understandable, but I'm not sure that is justice, ultimately.
     
  18. wgbgator

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    I cant guarantee anyone that goes to jail/prison wont commit a crime again, so lets just put away everyone for life, right? America can just be one big prison, or at least more so than it already is.
     
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  19. dave_the_thinker

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    He was reenacting a low budget rap video, so a better question is, will rap videos with cheap pyrotechnics still be around in 20 years.

    And will his music tastes change ..
     
  20. wgbgator

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    Low budgets and cheap pyro will still be around in 20 years.