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Discussion in 'Awesome Recruiting' started by cubangator, Jul 9, 2020.

  1. gatorpower

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    Miami has 3 commitments outside of the Miami area. Two of those players are dreaded 3-star ham and eggers. They cast a net around Miami and pull in players, almost indiscriminately, whether it fits a system or not.

    If you go back 20 seasons, they average ~1.5 ranking spots behind Clemson (Clemson averages around 14, Miami averages around 15.5). There have been recent years where they've been inside the top-10 with several kids ranked in the composite 100. There were five-stars on that team that almost lost to Central Michigan. There was a massive talent disparity between them and Duke. Duke's classes average around 60-70. That's not splitting hairs. Duke humiliated those players.

    What does that actually mean? It means throwing a net around your city is not enough. They've a team filled with Miami ALL-STARS. Some of those players were pressured to be there. Some of the coaches out there recruiting were likely pressured to take the ALL-STARS knowing they wouldn't fit their system. It's a city that recruits itself with talent that seem to lose 5-6 games a year against teams without that Miami ALL STAR talent

    It seems like you're upset and that's fair. I'd love to humiliate Miami by taking kids from their backyard, but I honestly don't care where our talent is coming from as long as they win games. Miami certainly does not prioritize that last part. That's where we get the last laugh
     
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  2. bobbybaker86

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    Again, it aint just Miami area...last year we wanted to lock down Lakeland and only came away with Finley Graham and Gervon. We also dont have a footprint in Jax and Orlando with elite recruits. We have to establish a go to area for Elite kids that we know more often than not we'll get.

    I'm not going to assume last year with Miami on the field will happen again. They lost to some teams that you wouldn't assume they would but it damn sure wasnt because they D sucked. It was the OL, particularly the OL and QB and OC and they've upgraded their via coaching staff and talent. Also, Diaz had to throw a staff together with how late of a start he got at Miami last year and they still had a recruiting class that was just as good as ours. Thats no matter how you slice it.

    There is no reason going into his third season we only have one 5* kid out of high school that this staff has gotten and we have not got a commit from a 5* (Gervon ROSE to a 5*, he didn't commit as a 5*) yet in his tenure here. And not even a 5* this staff has only brought in TWO top 50 players out of high school (Dexter and Elam) since they've been here.

    They gotta improve upon that to get us where we KNOW we can be
     
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  3. gatorpower

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    This "bean counting" aspect of recruiting loses me every time.

    Off the top, I'll say I'm not exactly happy with our recruiting, but I'll only go as far as saying our running backs, offensive line and maybe linebacker recruiting bothers me.

    After that, the "locking down" a part of the state bit only works in an era where that was truly necessary. It's not necessary anymore.
     
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  4. Gatorrick22

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    We need to take some Pac-12 players (speaking of Oregon) that might boycott the entire season, because of COVID-19 concerns and social justice reasons.

    It's time to steal some commits...
     
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  5. eastowest

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    The coaches demand "Relentless Effort" from the players....How about the same in recruiting.
     
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  6. filamg8torfan

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    Me too. NCAA doesn't give a damn. Why would they allow athletes get paid for using their likeness? That's going to be very hard to police if teams are following the guidelines or not. Maybe UF's bagmen are not working hard enough.:)
     
  7. justinwitt07

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    At the end of the day rb recruiting the last few cycles speaks for itself.
     
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  8. Donzo

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    Just going by memory, the 2015 recruiting rankings and production was kinda all over the place. Some of the higher ranked guys did well as did some of the lower ranked guys.

    For 2016, the rankings and production are pretty much inverse. I actually posted about that dynamic with a breakdown about a month ago. I'll see if I can find that post.

    Just to recap a little bit for 2016. Antonneous Clayton was the highest rated recruit and Kyle Trask was the lowest rated recruit- very interesting... Some of the other lower ranked guys were Jachai Polite, Stone Forsythe and Jawaan Taylor.
     
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  9. Skink

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    When you look at Bama, UGa, and Clemson, they all have elite offensive lines - we just haven’t proven that Florida is anything special on the field in this regard, not enough to lure those top RBs to cast their lot with UF. Not yet......

    2018 was Feleipe Franks running for his life and throwing the occasional bomb to pull out a big win. 2019 was almost abandoning the running game altogether with Trask throwing it all over the place. Credit Coach Mullen for figuring out what it took to win, and doing it — but this still isn’t going to lure a 5* RB away from the traditional offensive powerhouses running behind an elite o-line.

    Not yet - we’ve still only had 2 seasons to prove we’re relevant again.
     
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  10. Donzo

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    You really don't have issues with 2018's OL?
     
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  11. bobbybaker86

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    Your last paragraph is a contradiction if you go by the logic Gator fans are using. Due to covid, players are choosing to stay closer to home, no? Isn't that the logic that people are using with these recruits choosing Miami? Well if the Orlando to Jax area is closer to Gainesville, with both being an hour and a half drive away from Gainesville, if you have that area locked down in recruiting, "staying closer to home due to the pandemic" would me UF would benefit. Cant say locking down an area isn't needed anymore THEN use that excuse as to why other teams have commits who are "staying home" as that reason. It's necessary
     
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  12. crl

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    How about the same with the fans. If you’re just bitchin, you’re part of the problem, if not the only problem. If you’re also out there funding huge slush funds for the benefit of the recruits’ families then by all means bitch away.
     
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  13. Skink

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    Not sure I understand your question
     
  14. thale410

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    Very true. Ledge jumping around here each summer is pointless and expectations of the dent UF will ever make in SoFL are unrealistic, but it is very possible that a Palmetto kid(s) makes a 'business decision' in Nov/Dec.

    ScUM is what it is at this point: Too broke to move up in weight class with coaching and facilities, but a backyard stocked with recruits like no other program. And I fully expect their next decade to look pretty much like the last.
     
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  15. TrueGator

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    Honestly though, does anyone have a single direct quote from any kid that says he wants to be closer to home due to COVID? Definitely heard about wanting to be closer to home for many other reasons, but, I think everyone might be wildly speculating about that reason. Doesn't sound like 17 year-old logic to me.
     
  16. DBCooper

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    IMO Covid-19 does have something to do with UM’s recent recruiting verbal success. With all the talent in their backyard and other schools not able to bring them in for face to face visits with the coaches and staffs, we can only hope UF can convince these “temporary” place-holders to visit the Swamp on game-day with a full crowd and experience SEC ball. If it’s only a partial crowd it will be like seeing a typical UM home crowd. COVID-19 has turned a favorable ‘20 schedule into a very difficult route to the playoffs. Hope it doesn’t keep prospective Gators away from the Swamp and staff on game weekends. I’ll be waiting until after early signing day to panic as the ‘21 class only lacks a few important parts of the puzzle and CDM and staff has always come up with significant last minute additions. I’ll base my opinion on the 21’s on who we end up with rather then who we didn’t get.

    The proposed ‘20 schedule will certainly give us a valid measuring stick on the “player development vs. star power” rosters.
     
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  17. thale410

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    There is no doubt about that. If that's still the case two years down the road we'll be talking about who should be the next head coach.

    I'm sure several around here will have a seizure with this statement, but IMO, kickoff of this season marks the actual CDM window of evaluation.

    Everything up to this point has been either cleaning up messes, creating a new winning culture, or putting modern pieces/systems into place that should have existed years ago.

    Now is the time to stand or fall on his own, as CDM top 10 program head coach, instead of CDM program rehabilitation specialist. The next 36 months will tell an accurate tale.

    I honestly don't think that's possible anymore. Geography is far less a factor than it used to be and it was always less impactful with the diverse nature of FL and plurality of options for FLHS kids.

    I do think we need to be a the no-brainer option for the elite rising FL juniors initially when they name their top 3. Can't be late to the party or an afterthought for state kids.
     
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  18. thale410

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    Yep, that's exactly how the Covid situation plays in. The staff that recruits on the positive sell of its product can't have kids in to see the product. That's going to compound things with the way this staff goes about its business more so than some other situations.
     
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  19. gatorpower

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    First, I am not using that logic. The argument that players are chosing to stay closer to home due to a pandemic is specious and, at best, speculative.

    Secondly, even if I were arguing from that poor argument, South Florida recruits were disproportionately staying home even before the pandemic started.

    It's bad form to start off accusing someone of a contradiction they never made.

    Again, creating a strawman argument that you pretty much know I'll immediately shoot down isn't actually a response. It would have been better to just ask me why I do not feel locking down a region is necessary anymore.

    Go ahead and ask yourself why it was important in the first place? From a business perspective, it is based on retention performance. It reduces the costs associated with developing marketing strategies, identifying talent, surviving coaching turnover, travel and other human resource management. It less expensive to dig for turnips in your backyard.

    At least it was 30 years ago before cable TV made most games national, long-distance telephone rates were completely eliminated, cheaper travel options became available, larger, dedicated staffs with more money set aside for recruiting, etc, etc. There are no VHS camera operators driving 7 hours to hand-deliver scouting videos. I haven't even mentioned the Internet, which has completely changed how people talk. Conversely, players are, at this point, so over-saturated with marketing pitches that being the "local team" simply is not the "sell" that it was back in the day. The "canes thing" pitch is not the same thing as "local team"

    Gainesville, let's face it, does not have an elite local high school scene. We produce so little that 95% our pitches are to kids at least 2-3 hours away. Gainesville and Ocala is separated by a 45 minute drive through landscape, horses and cattle. I mean, C'mon.
     
  20. Donzo

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    Well, it wasn't really a question. It was mostly a statement presented as a question. And, you understood it.

    If you're comfortable complaining about UF's OL in 2018 with Feleipe Franks "running for his life", then that's on you.
     
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