Final Stake in the Steele Dossier and Russiagate

You are focused only on paid advertising (which I don’t think I’ve seen suggested was a great influence). That was hardly the totality of what the Russians did.

What do you think was their GRU budget for hacking the DNC servers? For paying the operatives to disseminate the email communications? For the troll farms to operate on social media?

I think this is the “not quantifiable” part that other poster referred to.

Personally I always thought James Comey himself was probably a bigger factor swinging the election to Trump than the Russians could ever have hoped to have been through all their efforts, somewhat ironic Trump would later fire him on false pretenses (or at least wholly non-credible reasons, coming from the Trump admin).

 

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“Some” of the press? I think that if you cared to look it would be a % that would make you quantify it differently. Mueller doesn’t make a statement at 8:30 on a Friday night because “some” of the press were connecting dots without their numbers.

 

That statement addressed a specific Buzzfeed story, that Trump had directed Michael Cohen (his lawyer at the time) to lie. In the Mueller Report, they state that while they have evidence that Trump knew that Cohen had lied in his testimony, they did not have evidence that he directed him to do so.

 

False. 12 GRU officers were indicted and, in the indictment, the Justice Department states that Guccifer 2.0 was a creation of these GRU operatives. One of the officers behind the moniker made a mistake at some point and left an IP address traced to GRU headquarters on a server with a social media company.

This speculation assumes two things not in evidence: that Hillary Clinton would have cared about the revealing of the DNC emails (the most "explosive" of which were just staffers bad mouthing Bernie people- which would not have been valuable after the campaign) and that they did not, in fact, have information on Trump.

 

Guciffer 2.0 is not actually a person, and not only is it false to say no evidence this “person” was associated with Russia, it is actually a made up persona created by Russian Military Intelligence. Guciffer 2.0 actually *is* Russian intelligence. You’d know that if you read the Senate Intel report instead of kook media interpretations. It’s on page 183-185 of that document. Of course the “evidence” of how they reached these conclusions are generally redacted, but we do know our intel was able to identify certain individual Russian officers involved and indicted at least a dozen as a product of the Mueller investigation (a likely symbolic gesture, as it’s unlikely they will ever be apprehended).

 

Yeah, sure.... Interesting. Tell me again about the difference between a "Uvula" and a "Uterus" again? LMFAO!!!!

I have reason to ask, based on your previous response. This in NOT a creative insult... It's just a serious question.

 

Have you ever actually read the Mueller report? "Russiagate" is largely the figment of one man's rather twisted imagination.

https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download

 

This thread destroys nothing, it does, however, feed the MAGA gullible.

 

You would think a moderator on GC would be held to a higher standard.

 

The question was not re the $value$ of the disinformation, but rather the actual impact on voters ... ie how many changed their vote or did not vote based solely on or largely due to the voter being exposed to Russian disinformation on social media.

 

Bullshit. He was impeached out of political vendetta, period.

Paybax a bitch, and the invoice will be satisfied, with interest.

 

Nah, just a dyed in the wool polyhack.

Hopelessly brainwarshed.

 

So, all of the gnashing of teeth and rending of garment, there’s no evidence to indicate Russian misinformation had any impact on the outcome of any Presidential election.

To summarize-
There was a big lie ….. the Steele Dossier
Which led to another big lie …… Russiagate
Then there was the fabrication that the dossier and R-gate were true, accurate
Next was the perpetuation of that lie by elements of the US gov’t, democrats, most of the US media
Then there was an investigation and hearings

Yet there is nothing to indicate any foreign interference impacted the results of the 2016 Presidential election.

I wonder what impact the misinformation regarding “Hillary’s emails” and @Hunter’s laptop” had on the last two Presidential elections? Think it may have been more significant than Russian interference ?

 

I also recall that Mueller indicated that criminal prosecution would not be recommended based on the Office of Legal Counsel opinion which held that a sitting president could not be indicted for a crime.
Why Mueller said he couldn’t indict Trump, explained

 

That election was decided by 27k votes in 3 states. It's impossible to quantify how much Russian meddling influenced the vote in an election that close.

The GOP led Senate Intelligence Committee detailed the Russian collusion with the Trump campaign. Case closed.

 

Apparently not. Especially when he tried to defend the fake electors as legitimate.

 

Not only is your post largely deflection, you in a profoundly subjective, partisan manner fail to consider any impact the fabricated dossier (funded by Trump opposition) had on the 2016 election. At least try to be nominally objective.

 

What’s truly sad is ….. the dossier and related Russia-gate lies were perpetrated by Americans against an American for the sole purpose of misinforming and inflaming partisan hate by Americans.